07-24-2025, 12:59 PM
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#3541
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It does kinda suck that our guy came out looking the worst
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07-24-2025, 01:00 PM
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#3542
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I don't think that is something that only guilty people would do though. I think it's conceivable that even innocent people would want to recap everything for their own peace of mind. There was also a text in there saying that all they had to do was tell the truth.
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I recently made a police report about events that occurred moments before a fatal motor vehicle collision. Before I made the report, I conferred with the other two people in the vehicle with me at the time of the events to ensure that my perception of events was correct and that I wasn't missing any details, then I made notes in my phone before talking with police to give them as accurate and complete a report as I could.
Having said that, between texts saying that they needed to get their stories straight and texts saying that everyone just needed to tell the truth, there is possibly an appearance of collusion but probably not enough to convict someone on, even if they had been ruled admissible as evidence.
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07-24-2025, 01:00 PM
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#3543
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I don't think that is something that only guilty people would do though. I think it's conceivable that even innocent people would want to recap everything for their own peace of mind. There was also a text in there saying that all they had to do was tell the truth.
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I think there’s a lot to this. It’s very possible that with the benefit of hindsight, assuming no crime was committed (in reality or in their own minds) that there was real concern that they engaged in behaviour they should not have. Not defending their actions at all but I can see young men struggling in this and other situations.
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07-24-2025, 01:01 PM
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#3544
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geeoff
It does kinda suck that our guy came out looking the worst
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He's not our guy.
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07-24-2025, 01:01 PM
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#3545
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UnModerator
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: North Vancouver, British Columbia.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geeoff
It does kinda suck that our guy came out looking the worst
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"Your" guy? wat
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07-24-2025, 01:01 PM
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#3546
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by Geeoff
It does kinda suck that our guy came out looking the worst
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Not defending him, but this isn't true:
The allegation against Dube is that he slapped E.M. on the buttocks without her consent. “While I accept that the slap took place, I do not accept that Mr. Dube was one of several men who took turns slapping her as hard as they could,” Justice Carroccia said.
The guys who set this up and the splits guy seem like the worst to me. Dube seems like a loser follower.
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07-24-2025, 01:02 PM
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#3547
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geeoff
It does kinda suck that our guy came out looking the worst
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Dube is dead to me regardless of the acquittal.
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07-24-2025, 01:04 PM
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#3548
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Join Date: May 2016
Location: ATCO Field, Section 201
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geordano
At the end of the day, Judge Carroccia is in a much better position to assess credibility than anyone commenting on this thread.
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More than that, she had a month to test the evidence against what the law says. Most people here has read the summaries and that it.
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07-24-2025, 01:05 PM
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#3549
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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https://lfpreas.com/sports/hockey/ju...y-canada-trial
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In talking about the allegations against McLeod, Carroccia said the videos McLeod shot of E.M. showed her as an “active participant” in the sexual activity taking place in the room.
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Michael McLeod is found not guilty of the first count of sexual assault.
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07-24-2025, 01:08 PM
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#3550
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blankall
Not defending him, but this isn't true:
The allegation against Dube is that he slapped E.M. on the buttocks without her consent. “While I accept that the slap took place, I do not accept that Mr. Dube was one of several men who took turns slapping her as hard as they could,” Justice Carroccia said.
The guys who set this up and the splits guy seem like the worst to me. Dube seems like a loser follower.
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Didn't one of them ID him as the one slapping really hard?
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07-24-2025, 01:10 PM
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#3551
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Didn't one of them ID him as the one slapping really hard?
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Yup the Howden texts did. Then the judge said they were hearsay and wouldnt be used as evidence...
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07-24-2025, 01:11 PM
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#3552
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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https://lfpress.com/sports/hockey/ju...y-canada-trial
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Carroccia is now addressing the second charge against McLeod of being party to a sexual assault.
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“It is the position of the defence that E.M. was interested in group sexual activity with the other players,” Carroccia said. “That is why Mr. McLeod invited others into the room. Once they were in the room, there was no evidence from E.M. or anyone else that Mr. McLeod did anything or said anything to encourage others or to assist others to engage in sexual activity with the complainant.”
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The second charge against Michael McLeod is dismissed. All players are found not guilty of all the charges.
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07-24-2025, 01:13 PM
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#3553
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbull8
Yup the Howden texts did. Then the judge said they were hearsay and wouldnt be used as evidence...
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I knew it was somewhere.
That said, whether they should have been admitted or not (and whether or not that ruling is appealed), let's not talk about "innocence" any more.
Last edited by GioforPM; 07-24-2025 at 01:36 PM.
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07-24-2025, 01:16 PM
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#3554
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As soon as the texts were thrown out, it felt like the crown lost all of it's momentum.
How can the judge accept that the Dube slap took place (assault), but then find him not guilty?
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07-24-2025, 01:18 PM
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#3555
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Calgary
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So when do the oilers start signing them?
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07-24-2025, 01:18 PM
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#3556
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988
As soon as the texts were thrown out, it felt like the crown lost all of it's momentum.
How can the judge accept that the Dube slap took place (assault), but then find him not guilty?
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Because the prosecution didn't prove beyond reasonable doubt that the slap wasn't consensual.
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07-24-2025, 01:18 PM
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#3557
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Franchise Player
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Poor guys' lives effectively ruined over this. Hopefully they can finally turn the page
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07-24-2025, 01:24 PM
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#3558
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Franchise Player
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As always I think the truth lies somewhere in the middle, and unfortunately someone had to pay for this with their personal life.
Sad, but prosecution failed to generate any sort of momentum in the case.
EDM signing watch on.
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07-24-2025, 01:25 PM
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#3559
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geordano
At the end of the day, Judge Carroccia is in a much better position to assess credibility than anyone commenting on this thread.
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Has anybody argued this?
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07-24-2025, 01:26 PM
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#3560
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Oct 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ducay
Poor guys' lives effectively ruined over this. Hopefully they can finally turn the page
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You had to know this was coming.
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