Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote, Formenton charged with sexual assault

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

If they are not guilty than signing them wouldn’t suggest anything other than trusting the justice system to do its job.

Don’t tell the internet that

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

If they are not guilty than signing them wouldn’t suggest anything other than trusting the justice system to do its job.

Yeah Bill Peters was convicted and everything…

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by Goriders

I thought Stockton was Edmonton from one of the Solovyov thread.

Now I’m confused

Stockton is California's Edmonton. Both are the very essence of "No Good".

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

If they are not guilty than signing them wouldn’t suggest anything other than trusting the justice system to do its job.

I guess that would make sense to the truly naive.

But the standard of finding someone guilty is so high, that mostly everyone understands that many people who actually did the crime are out on the street.

[GhostCookie]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I guess that would make sense to the truly naive.

But the standard of finding someone guilty is so high, that mostly everyone understands that many people who actually did the crime are out on the street.

Not to mention that the NHL can determine that, regardless of the outcome of the criminal charges, the players have acted in a way that violates the leagues policy on conduct and does not have to allow a team to sign any of them. Not guilty does not equal innocent and the fact that this was already settled civilly would hint towards the players having acted unbecoming of what the leagues standards are.

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Public relations nightmare for sure, but if they are all found not guilty as we expect, don't they have the right to earn a living in their profession?

Think of it like a job interview. Young clean cut MegaErtz comes in and does excellent. Then they google your insta, x, etc. Only, instead of insta it is the NATIONAL NEWS MEDIA and TSN. All of your antics are put in front of the hiring manager. "Wow, he seems like fun" or "What a despicable human being. Maybe he was found not guilty but he clearly participated in a reprehensible act."

What would the organization you work for do?

Now, what would the Oylaz do?

Finally, why on earth would you defend the latter for hiring that POS?

You need too look a little deeper than the jersey.

We don't think the oylaz are disgusting because of team rivalry. We think they are reprehensible, garbage people because of what they do.

[powderjunkie]

Fun fact: nearly every suspension in the history of the NHL has not involved a criminal conviction


more of a comment, really

[Rhett44]

Oilers are gearing up. Big day tomorrow for them.

[bettercallbettman]

Besides Hart who gets a look?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GhostCookie

Not to mention that the NHL can determine that, regardless of the outcome of the criminal charges, the players have acted in a way that violates the leagues policy on conduct and does not have to allow a team to sign any of them.

Like they did with Stan Bowman until the Oilers came knocking.

Not guilty does not equal innocent and the fact that this was already settled civilly would hint towards the players having acted unbecoming of what the leagues standards are.

I don't think the civil suit settlement can be interpreted that way though. There were players named in the suit that were never charged and at least one who wasn't even there. It was a pretty major indictment on Hockey Canada though to not even bother checking the evidence and defaulting to just accepting the allegations to try and bury it quickly.

[Strange Brew]

So is the consensus they’ll all be found not guilty? Doesn’t seem like much of the trial went the prosecution’s way.

[MegaErtz]

Originally Posted by Titan2

Think of it like a job interview. Young clean cut MegaErtz comes in and does excellent. Then they google your insta, x, etc. Only, instead of insta it is the NATIONAL NEWS MEDIA and TSN. All of your antics are put in front of the hiring manager. "Wow, he seems like fun" or "What a despicable human being. Maybe he was found not guilty but he clearly participated in a reprehensible act."

What would the organization you work for do?

Now, what would the Oylaz do?

Finally, why on earth would you defend the latter for hiring that POS?

You need too look a little deeper than the jersey.

We don't think the oylaz are disgusting because of team rivalry. We think they are reprehensible, garbage people because of what they do.

Oh, I'm not defending them at all, I think based on the evidence heard in court they should all get a lifetime ban from pro hockey. I'm just stating that legally, they are quite obviously not guilty due to the high burden of proof, as others have stated.

There are people who have been falsely accused of terrible sexual crimes. Tucker Carlson was accused of rape by a woman with mental issues who had never even met him. Now, I hate Tucker Carlson with a passion, but should a false accusation be held against him? Of course not. Legally speaking, these men will all be found not guilty tomorrow. Carter Hart is a legit NHL quality goalie, and I think a franchise will take a flyer on him.

[DoubleK]

I think Hart gets acquitted and the rest are found guilty. McLeod is guilty of both.

Hart signs with the Oil on Friday.

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by MegaErtz

Public relations nightmare for sure, but if they are all found not guilty as we expect, don't they have the right to earn a living in their profession?

Speak for yourself. I don't remember "we" declaring that they are all being found not guilty.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

I think Hart gets acquitted and the rest are found guilty. McLeod is guilty of both.

Hart signs with the Oil on Friday.

I think Dube and McLeod have the most damning evidence against them, then Foote. I wouldn't be shocked if Hart and Formenton are found not guilty based on the testimony from the both sides.

I'm not going to make any predictions though. Hours of court time summarized in short real time posts really only gives anyone a small snapshot. The judge has years of experience analyzing testimony and legal knowledge that won't be reflected in the reporting.

[trackercowe]

I'm certain Bettman and the NHL are hoping they're found guilty tomorrow. If that happens the league won't be burdened with the pressure from fans, the media, and possibly players from the league seeking a suspension of some veracity.

[memphusk]

Does the league have any kind of ethics clause that have to go into team contracts? I think some other leagues do but I could be totally wrong about it.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by memphusk

Does the league have any kind of ethics clause that have to go into team contracts? I think some other leagues do but I could be totally wrong about it.

Yeah, that's how the Sharks got out of the Kane contract and Chicago the Perry one.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by getbak

Yeah, that's how the Sharks got out of the Kane contract and Chicago the Perry one.

Probably how the Kings got out of the Mike Richards contract as well?... and possibly Slava Voynov?

[Titan2]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well for one they were not in the NHL yet when this happened, and second they would definitely have grounds to file a grievance if they are found not guilty. Look, I don't want them in the league anymore then anyone else, I'm just saying what I would expect. Hell, I don't even think the Flames should be playing Jake Bean ever again after his multiple calls telling guys what room to go to "for pizza". He knew exactly what that pizza was.

18-A.2 Commissioner Authority to Impose Discipline for Off-Ice Conduct. Whenever the Commissioner determines that a Player has violated a League Rule applicable to Players (other than Playing Rules subjecting the Player to potential Supplementary Discipline for On-Ice Conduct), or has been or is guilty of conduct (whether during or outside the playing season) that is detrimental to or against the welfare of the League or the game of hockey, he may discipline
such Player in any or all of the following respects:
(a) by expelling or suspending such Player for a definite or indefinite period;
(b) by cancelling any SPC that such Player has with any Member Club; or
(c) by imposing a fine on the Player not exceeding the maximum permissible fine under Section 18.7(b).