2025/2026 Season Trade Rumours and Speculation Thread

[NegativeSpace]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

If he does in fact want that then he and his agent have no clue how things work.

If Zary wants less term that's fine - but a guy like Jack Quinn just signed a 2 year deal at 3.35M with better pedigree and more production.

I agree with you, but I suspect that is the hang up. Less term means less dollars but agents want less term and more dollars now.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Ducks, Sharks, and Blackhawks are all trying to pull out of their rebuilds. Mammoth, Sabres, and Kraken are also all trying to get into contention. Bubble teams like NYR, CBJ, and Red Wings are all trying to build their rosters up. NYI and Predators dipped unexpectedly but I doubt they will start selling and going into a long rebuild.

The only teams "selling" are the Flames, maybe the Flyers, and perhaps the Penguins. We are still waiting to see if the Penguins blow it up.

Crosby/Malkin

the rest of the team is already blown up

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Crosby/Malkin

the rest of the team is already blown up

Yeah, they are tanking. Malkin is still good, but not the player he used to be. Crosby is still really good, but not good enough to prop that team up with what else they have after that. Jarry in particular is enough to keep them down. They'll probably trade what vets they can by the trade deadline.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Wolven

You're killing me Sandman... but here it goes.

Celebrini had a -31 and Bedard was -36 and -44 in his last two seasons. Does that mean those guys have lost value? Nah.

Same goes for Andersson. He is playing on a team that went from a really deep D group (Andersson, Hanifin, Tanev, Weegar, Zadorov) and moved out the majority of those guys and replaced them with Hanley off waivers, Pachal, Bean, Bahl, Miromanov. (Bahl turned out to have a great season and I think he has a lot of potential still, but he was not a Hanifin replacement last season.)

Because of the changes in the group, Andersson went from being the 'offensive top pair that was deployed in the O zone more' to being the 'shut down guy that was deployed in the D zone with the Backlund shutdown line'. And on top of all of that, the Flames were the 6th worst scoring team in the league.

You keep mentioning the 96 point season, but that is irrelevant to +/-. What you should note is that the team was very low scoring with only 225 goals for. 6th worst in the league. And the two guys on the team who put up the most goals were playing with Weegar more so than Andersson. The difference wasn't small 35+28 goals vs. 15+15 goals.

All of this is going on and I don't even mention the injuries... which just speaks how much of a warrior he is. Honestly, that should drive his value up even more.

When you get right into it, I seriously doubt a pro scout or GM, who can digest all of these stats waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than I can, is going to look at +/- at all. They will likely dismiss a lot of this last season as a result of what the team is doing (and the injuries) and possibly acknowledge that Andersson was one of the reasons the Flames overperformed and were not in the bottom 5 last year.

My 2 cents.

In my opinion it is also important to note the team +/-.

I believe Calgary scored 223 goals for which a plus is applied (5 on 5 and shorthanded for) and had 242 goals for which a minus is applied (5 on 5 and shorthanded against) for a team net -19.

Taking that is the "average" for a Flame, then you look at ice time, opponent, etc., and Andersson's -38 might not look as bad.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dino7c

exaclty...when you start using pace you are just cherry picking. He hasn't done it yet, Coronato did.

24 goal career high 47 point career high
vs.
14 goal 34 point career high

Being injured twice is not something that should improve your contract situation. Potential is there but he needs to take a lesser deal than Coronato IF that is the hold up. I'm almost certain it gets done and this all becomes pointless mid July debate.

Outproduced Coronato for half a season before getting injured - people see what they want to see though.

And illustrating his season as pre-injury and post-injury is not cherry-picking. But you do you.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Yeah, they are tanking. Malkin is still good, but not the player he used to be. Crosby is still really good, but not good enough to prop that team up with what else they have after that. Jarry in particular is enough to keep them down. They'll probably trade what vets they can by the trade deadline.

Did not realize Karlsson was already 35.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by blankall

Did not realize Karlsson was already 35.

Trading for the "Norris Trophy" winner is why they will not make the playoffs again for a long time.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by blankall

Did not realize Karlsson was already 35.

It's crazy when you look at their contracts. They currently only have 5 forwards (Crosby, Rust, Rakell, Brazeau, and Dewar), 3 defensemen (Karlsson, Letang, Graves), and 1 goalie (Jarry) signed past this season off their main roster. After next season, they only have 2 forwards, 2 defensemen, and 1 goalie, and after that only 1 player (Graves). No one on their main roster is signed past 3 years after this next season.

It's pretty clear that they are going for a complete turnover in the next couple of seasons.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's crazy when you look at their contracts. They currently only have 5 forwards (Crosby, Rust, Rakell, Brazeau, and Dewar), 3 defensemen (Karlsson, Letang, Graves), and 1 goalie (Jarry) signed past this season off their main roster. After next season, they only have 2 forwards, 2 defensemen, and 1 goalie, and after that only 1 player (Graves). No one on their main roster is signed past 3 years after this next season.

It's pretty clear that they are going for a complete turnover in the next couple of seasons.

Kudos to Pittsburgh for planning a rebuild so effectively. Explains how they managed to go from Lemieux to Crosby. They seemed to have set themselves up perfectly to make a similar transition.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Where are the sellers at?

With almost every insider coming out and saying everyone is looking to add and get better, you'd think some lucky team who's a seller would step up to the plate and essentially be fishing in a barrel.

Especially staring down the barrel of the McKenna draft.

It should be us...

We could get an absolute haul for Kadri right now.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by traptor

It should be us...

We could get an absolute haul for Kadri right now.

Kadri is turning 35 and is in the back end of his contract. Every team knows with a retirement contract, you get value on the front end and the last 2-4 years almost always end up being bad.

It looks like Conroy it trying to drum up a bidding war for Kadri, but getting an "absolute haul" is unlikely.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by blankall

Kadri is turning 35 and is in the back end of his contract. Every team knows with a retirement contract, you get value on the front end and the last 2-4 years almost always end up being bad.

It looks like Conroy it trying to drum up a bidding war for Kadri, but getting an "absolute haul" is unlikely.

I doubt that's the case.
It's hard to drum up a bidding war when he has a full NTC.
I don't think there is anything to the Kadri stuff.

The opportunity to move him comes when his NTC moves to a modified NTC.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by traptor

It should be us...

We could get an absolute haul for Kadri right now.

We could get nothing for Kadri right now. He doesn't want to go anywhere.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Crosby/Malkin

the rest of the team is already blown up

Yes, but until they move off of some of their aged core (Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Karlsson, Rust, Rakell) I am not sure they will be able to properly bottom out.

I am also curious about what Crosby is thinking. Does he want to retire a penguin or see what it is like elsewhere before he retires? I really like the idea of him going to the Avs for a run or two but he already has his cup rings and really doesn't need to prove anything. I could see him just go through the motions and play out his contract in Pittsburg.

The best thing for the team would be for Crosby to ask to be traded and go have some fun elsewhere and then the rest of the core all go too. They could burn it down, weaponize cap space to try and stay above the cap floor, and collect assets as they trade out their remaining big names.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by blankall

Kudos to Pittsburgh for planning a rebuild so effectively. Explains how they managed to go from Lemieux to Crosby. They seemed to have set themselves up perfectly to make a similar transition.

Just that small detail remaining, of a generational player coming along, just when you win the lottery

[Macindoc]

Originally Posted by blankall

Kudos to Pittsburgh for planning a rebuild so effectively. Explains how they managed to go from Lemieux to Crosby. They seemed to have set themselves up perfectly to make a similar transition.

They got lucky twice to get Crosby. First, following the lockout, it was decided that lottery odds would be allotted in 3 tiers based on playoff appearances in the 3 seasons before the lockout, something the Pens could not have planned for. Then they won the lottery with 6.3% odds of winning (the Flames, by contrast, were the biggest losers, dropping from the 2nd tier of odds with a 4.2% chance of winning all the way down to being assigned the 25th pick out of 30).

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Just that small detail remaining, of a generational player coming along, just when you win the lottery

They are going to get either McKenna and/or Micki's kid. We live in a simulation and the simulation overlords are lazy.

Originally Posted by Macindoc

They got lucky twice to get Crosby. First, following the lockout, it was decided that lottery odds would be allotted in 3 tiers based on playoff appearances in the 3 seasons before the lockout, something the Pens could not have planned for. Then they won the lottery with 6.3% odds of winning (the Flames, by contrast, were the biggest losers, dropping from the 2nd tier of odds with a 4.2% chance of winning all the way down to being assigned the 25th pick out of 30).

That lottery always seemed fishy to me. Puts tinfoil hat on... The Pens were barely hanging then finally caved to get a new arena going, and then were awarded Crosby.

I recall when the Flames got 25th, the camera showed the Oilers management looking all pleased and smug, just to end up getting picked right after...lol.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I doubt that's the case.
It's hard to drum up a bidding war when he has a full NTC.
I don't think there is anything to the Kadri stuff.

The opportunity to move him comes when his NTC moves to a modified NTC.

... or if he decides to get ahead of that and exert some additional control by waiving for some specific teams this year. If Ras and Coleman are traded he might opt to go somewhere more competitive.

Probably not, as he likes it here. But stranger things have happened, and he can always move back to join family once he has hung up the skates.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

In my opinion it is also important to note the team +/-.

I believe Calgary scored 223 goals for which a plus is applied (5 on 5 and shorthanded for) and had 242 goals for which a minus is applied (5 on 5 and shorthanded against) for a team net -19.

Taking that is the "average" for a Flame, then you look at ice time, opponent, etc., and Andersson's -38 might not look as bad.

That’s not how it works. If Calgary had a team -19, and we assume there are 5 players on the ice at that time, that would result in a total of about -95 divided among about 18 players, or an average of about -5 per player.

Or looking at it another way, if the average Flames was -19, why is Andersson the only player worse than -18?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Outproduced Coronato for half a season before getting injured - people see what they want to see though.

And illustrating his season as pre-injury and post-injury is not cherry-picking. But you do you.

But he did get injured..it effects his contract. Doing something for a full season is hard in the NHL.

Its not "what I want to see" its just the reality...if he went to a 3rd party arbitrator they would see it the same way myself and from the sounds of it Flames management does too.