Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Slava]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

A large number of immigrants are coming over on student visas (400K to 500k+ offered per year) and most of those are covered under public healthcare. I doubt that a lot of those students are contributing very much to the tax pool.

Most of those students have to have private insurance.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Slava

Most of those students have to have private insurance.

International students moving to three of the largest provinces can be covered under provincial plans. Alberta will cover them under AHCIP, BC covers them for a few of $75 per month and Quebec covers students from a bunch of countries (looks like it might be 39) including India.

[Wormius]

People coming over on student visas aren’t very likely to be sick, if they’re young. They still have to buy health insurance. And if they get so sick that they become a burden to our healthcare system, I imagine they won’t meet the requirements of their programs and will have to leave the country.

Also international students pay about 10x the tuition as domestic students, so while they aren’t contributing to the tax base directly, it means less of our tax dollars have to go to funding universities.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

International students moving to three of the largest provinces can be covered under provincial plans. Alberta will cover them under AHCIP, BC covers them for a few of $75 per month and Quebec covers students from a bunch of countries (looks like it might be 39) including India.

Alberta doesn’t cover them. It specifically states they have to purchase insurance because they aren’t eligible under AHCIP.

https://www.su.ualberta.ca/these-are...d-dental-plan/

Edit: Might be have read that wrong though. Wording a bit fuzzy.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Alberta doesn’t cover them. It specifically states they have to purchase insurance because they aren’t eligible under AHCIP.

https://www.su.ualberta.ca/these-are...d-dental-plan/

Some (many?) are:

If you are a student from outside Canada, you may be eligible for AHCIP coverage.

Students under 18 years of age must be added to the AHCIP account of a custodian.

Students who have a 12-month study permit (valid for an Alberta educational institute) and who will reside in Alberta for 12 months or more are eligible for AHCIP coverage and should apply.

Students with study permits valid for less than 12 months, may be eligible for AHCIP coverage if their application is accompanied by a letter from the school confirming their enrollment and their intent to reside in Alberta for at least 12 months.

[Fuzz]

For all those who went to University, exactly how many times did you use the healthcare system while in school? I struggle to think of even one doctor visit those years. I got vaccines for travel once(besides flu yearly). Too healthy, too busy.


If you think this is an actual issue needing addressing, bring some facts. How much are these "immigrants" costing the health system? I also don't think students are necessarily immigrants, and if they are, even less reason to care becuase they will have well paying jobs and contribute to taxes later, kinda like your kids.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

For all those who went to University, exactly how many times did you use the healthcare system while in school? I struggle to think of even one doctor visit those years. I got vaccines for travel once(besides flu yearly). Too healthy, too busy.


If you think this is an actual issue needing addressing, bring some facts. How much are these "immigrants" costing the health system? I also don't think students are necessarily immigrants, and if they are, even less reason to care becuase they will have well paying jobs and contribute to taxes later, kinda like your kids.

I remember they turned Mac Hall Ballroom (new) into a vaccination space for Measles, Mumps and Rubella....I used that.

[Fuzz]

And if a few foreign students get vaccinated while here, that doesn't sound so bad either.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

And if a few foreign students get vaccinated while here, that doesn't sound so bad either.

Well when I was a student its not like I was 'carding' people or anything.

"Are you a Foreign Student or Canadian with foreign parents??? Tell me or it gets the hose again!!"

It was just..."Line up here. Get shots. We are conveniently located across from The Den...enjoy."

[Yamer]

Don't most - if not all - publically funded Universities require students to have some kind of health insurance? Is that Canadian citizens only?

[Maritime Q-Scout]

I used to be on the board of a student health plan. International Students' insurance is different from domestic. It was a completely different plan.

If you attend SAIT, for example, as a student you enroll in the domestic plan (covers prescriptions, physio, eye wear, dental, etc) and have the option to opt out if you have your own coverage (such as through your parent). If you're an international student you had to have the domestic plan *in addition* to the international plan which covered what the province covered (hospital stays, doctors visits, emergency, etc). International Students did *NOT* have the option to opt out, it was manditory (at least at the school I worked at).

I will qualify by saying that was almost 10 years ago, so things *may* have changed, but I would be surprised.

In addition, other than birth control, students at large do not burden the healthcare system at all.

[Fuzz]

Easy there, we are all waiting on the edge of our seats for our geologist to bring the receipts and show how wrong you are. I'm sure there is a tweet from Keean Bexte or his ilk, overflowing with facts and reality.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Easy there, we are all waiting on the edge of our seats for our geologist to bring the receipts and show how wrong you are. I'm sure there is a tweet from Keean Bexte or his ilk, overflowing with facts and reality.

I’m sure it was just a joke.

[Fuzz]

Ah, right. Renowned forum jokster Calgarygeologist. They've had some real bangers in the past, like...uhm...ok, someone help me out here...

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

A large number of immigrants are coming over on student visas (400K to 500k+ offered per year) and most of those are covered under public healthcare. I doubt that a lot of those students are contributing very much to the tax pool.

They're asylum seekers now.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by chemgear

They're asylum seekers now.

Don't encourage him. His already mislead enough.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ah, right. Renowned forum jokster Calgarygeologist. They've had some real bangers in the past, like...uhm...ok, someone help me out here...

He's still trying to do the chargeback on his AMEX for the "Rolls Royce" Limo he rented for Carney.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

I used to be on the board of a student health plan. International Students' insurance is different from domestic. It was a completely different plan.

If you attend SAIT, for example, as a student you enroll in the domestic plan (covers prescriptions, physio, eye wear, dental, etc) and have the option to opt out if you have your own coverage (such as through your parent). If you're an international student you had to have the domestic plan *in addition* to the international plan which covered what the province covered (hospital stays, doctors visits, emergency, etc). International Students did *NOT* have the option to opt out, it was manditory (at least at the school I worked at).

I will qualify by saying that was almost 10 years ago, so things *may* have changed, but I would be surprised.

In addition, other than birth control, students at large do not burden the healthcare system at all.

At SAIT the International Students just pay the regular health and dental plan that domestic students have. Which covers their cost of prescriptions and of course dental procedures.
They are already covered under AB health when they arrive.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Easy there, we are all waiting on the edge of our seats for our geologist to bring the receipts and show how wrong you are. I'm sure there is a tweet from Keean Bexte or his ilk, overflowing with facts and reality.

Part of the reason why the federal government has decided to scale back international student permits is because of the added pressure on health care:

Rapid increases in the number of international students arriving in Canada also puts pressure on housing, health care and other services.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...-for-2024.html

[Slava]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/arti...of-sentencing/

Tough on crime, unless it's people they agree with.