2025/2026 Season Trade Rumours and Speculation Thread

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I actually don’t think so. They are downgrading the most important position on the ice and leaving themselves with an aging centre core. It’d be a huge bet on Bourque and Zary who are older than Johnston.

Even if Zary only becomes a 50-60 point C and Coleman bangs in 30 points you are actually getting more production just from those two along with Coleman's two time SC winning experience let alone adding the most important piece you need on the back end. In no universe if you are going for a SC next year are the Stars a better team with Johnston over those three. If you think so you need to learn a lot more about hockey. I am not saying the Stars should trade Johnston or even entertain it but they would definitely be better positioned to win a Cup with those three players over him.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Even if Zary only becomes a 50-60 point C and Coleman bangs in 30 points you are actually getting more production just from those two along with Coleman's two time SC winning experience let alone adding the most important piece you need on the back end. In no universe if you are going for a SC next year are the Stars a better team with Johnston over those three. If you think so you need to learn a lot more about hockey. I am not saying the Stars should trade Johnston or even entertain it but they would definitely be better positioned to win a Cup with those three players over him.

lol for someone who complains about people taking shots at others for no reason maybe don’t do it yourself. I disagree with the base premise of your post. A #1C > depth. They downgrade to Hintz as their #1C which precludes them from winning a cup especially when Duchene is the #2C

[Vinny01]

I think the Flames need to draft at least twice in the first round over the next 2 drafts and if they are able to have 2 of those picks land in the top 10 I really like their chances of coming out of this rebuild as a team that can contend. I am bullish on their chances teams drafting and am optimistic they are going to find more gems than the average team. I say this with the Flames having a pretty solid draft record of finding guys like Brodie, Ferland, Gaudreau, Kulak, Mangiapane, Fox, Pospisil, Wolf who all have varying degrees of success in a top 4/top 6 role.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Bonded

lol for someone who complains about people taking shots at others for no reason maybe don’t do it yourself. I disagree with the base premise of your post. A #1C > depth. They downgrade to Hintz as their #1C which precludes them from winning a cup especially when Duchene is the #2C

I'm sorry but it is is ridiculous to try and argue the Stars would be better positioned to win a Cup next year with Johnston instead of Zary, Coleman, and Andersson. Ridiculous. Is Johnston more valuable to the Stars as a permanent fixture? Sure, we can debate that. The other? Not debatable.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Even if Zary only becomes a 50-60 point C and Coleman bangs in 30 points you are actually getting more production just from those two along with Coleman's two time SC winning experience let alone adding the most important piece you need on the back end. In no universe if you are going for a SC next year are the Stars a better team with Johnston over those three. If you think so you need to learn a lot more about hockey. I am not saying the Stars should trade Johnston or even entertain it but they would definitely be better positioned to win a Cup with those three players over him.

No. I think most people would take the young #1C over the depth you've described. You can't add up 3 players production and say it's better production than the the #1C you are trading away. That's not how it works. Zary would effectively be replacing Johnston - massive downgrade. Coleman is a non- factor, he's old, he doesn't put up much points and similar players probably already exist within the Stars system, so they gain no value by having him in that trade. Andersson is a decent right shot Dman - adding him would definitely help the Stars, but by no means is he an elite Dman... he's good, and he shoots right. So I'd argue trading Johnston nets you a moderately better D group, and a significantly worse C group. Not a trade I would ever make if I were the Stars.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Even if Zary only becomes a 50-60 point C and Coleman bangs in 30 points you are actually getting more production just from those two along with Coleman's two time SC winning experience let alone adding the most important piece you need on the back end. In no universe if you are going for a SC next year are the Stars a better team with Johnston over those three. If you think so you need to learn a lot more about hockey. I am not saying the Stars should trade Johnston or even entertain it but they would definitely be better positioned to win a Cup with those three players over him.

Based on what you are saying, Florida wasn't going to become better trading for Tkachuk giving up Huberdeau and Weegar, because Tkachuk wasn't going to get as many points as Huberdeau and Weegar combined.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by VilleN

No. I think most people would take the young #1C over the depth you've described. You can't add up 3 players production and say it's better production than the the #1C you are trading away. That's not how it works. Zary would effectively be replacing Johnston - massive downgrade. Coleman is a non- factor, he's old, he doesn't put up much points and similar players probably already exist within the Stars system, so they gain no value by having him in that trade. Andersson is a decent right shot Dman - adding him would definitely help the Stars, but by no means is he an elite Dman... he's good, and he shoots right. So I'd argue trading Johnston nets you a moderately better D group, and a significantly worse C group. Not a trade I would ever make if I were the Stars.

It's a team sport. If you were going for a Cup next year and you had a hole a right defence who would you rather have. Macklin Celebrini or Doughty, Kopitar, and Byfield? Johnston was not even that good in the playoffs. Andersson is a top pairing D man on a good team. The Stars can easily role with Heinz, Zary, Duchene, and Bourque down the middle. They are not winning anything as they stand, Johnston is not Connor McDavid. He is a young 70-80 point C. You are also vastly underestimating what Coleman brings to a playoff team. Like this isn't even close if you are trying to win a Cup next year.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Based on what you are saying, Florida wasn't going to become better trading for Tkachuk giving up Huberdeau and Weegar, because Tkachuk wasn't going to get as many points as Huberdeau and Weegar combined.

Especially if Coleman and Zary's points come on the same goals, as they sometimes do.

Dallas in a a centre/salary bind but getting rid if the youngest and best centre isn't the fix. Really their better bet is to trade Robertson, and move Duchene/Seguin to wing.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I'm sorry but it is is ridiculous to try and argue the Stars would be better positioned to win a Cup next year with Johnston instead of Zary, Coleman, and Andersson. Ridiculous. Is Johnston more valuable to the Stars as a permanent fixture? Sure, we can debate that. The other? Not debatable.

IMO the Stars are worse as well. Even if the Flames players traded to the stars play well, someone's opportunity is someone else's decline.

Ras is good, but Harley and Heskinen are a lock for the PP, and both play 25 mins a game. Lindell is better than Ras and can play 22 mins a game. Do they need a 4th dman and how much does it help them?

Coleman is good, and I think he would help as they lost Marchment, Granlund and Dadonov. IMO the Stars only have 8 top 9 forwards right now, so Coleman would be a very good add but Johnston is way better than Zary. Right now, the Stars can make 2 very good lines. Zary in Johnston out and they have 1 top line and a bunch of 3rd lines.

Why not just trade a pick for a Coleman and keep Johnston?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I'm sorry but it is is ridiculous to try and argue the Stars would be better positioned to win a Cup next year with Johnston instead of Zary, Coleman, and Andersson. Ridiculous. Is Johnston more valuable to the Stars as a permanent fixture? Sure, we can debate that. The other? Not debatable.

Which is funny because you are really the only one on your side of the argument. LeArN sOmE aBoUt HoCkEy or just accept people have different opinions. The Stars already have a relatively strong defense group and would be strengthening it at the expense of their weaker center group.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It's a team sport. If you were going for a Cup next year and you had a hole a right defence who would you rather have. Macklin Celebrini or Doughty, Kopitar, and Byfield? Johnston was not even that good in the playoffs. Andersson is a top pairing D man on a good team. The Stars can easily role with Heinz, Zary, Duchene, and Bourque down the middle. They are not winning anything as they stand, Johnston is not Connor McDavid. He is a young 70-80 point C. You are also vastly underestimating what Coleman brings to a playoff team. Like this isn't even close if you are trying to win a Cup next year.

What good team did Andersson play for? If memory serves, he played on a below average team that couldn't make the playoffs. Are you suggesting that Doughty, Kopitar, and Byfield are of equal value to Zary, Coleman, and Andersson? The point is The Stars do not have another Wyatt Johnston - they almost definitely have or could easily acquire a Coleman type player - Zary, who so far has shown he can produce 34 pts in a season, is also easily replaceable without trading away a #1C. So you get Andersson, who had a poor season last year and is nearly out of his prime years... sure, he's a good first or second pairing Dman - but I would never entertain trading a guy like Johnston for what effectively amounts to spare parts plus Andersson. Now, don't get me wrong I like Zary, he could turn into an excellent 2nd line C - but he isn't that right now, and the Stars would be insane to trade away a budding superstar at the most coveted position in hockey.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

IMO the Stars are worse as well. Even if the Flames players traded to the stars play well, someone's opportunity is someone else's decline.

Ras is good, but Harley and Heskinen are a lock for the PP, and both play 25 mins a game. Lindell is better than Ras and can play 22 mins a game. Do they need a 4th dman and how much does it help them?

Coleman is good, and I think he would help as they lost Marchment, Granlund and Dadonov. IMO the Stars only have 8 top 9 forwards right now, so Coleman would be a very good add but Johnston is way better than Zary. Right now, the Stars can make 2 very good lines. Zary in Johnston out and they have 1 top line and a bunch of 3rd lines.

Why not just trade a pick for a Coleman and keep Johnston?

Well their professional GM who does this stuff for a living believes they need help with their top 4 D on the RS. So that's probably why they don't just trade for Coleman. They need Andersson much more than they need Coleman.

[dissentowner]

Why are people arguing trading Johnston? You are not even addressing what is being argued here.

[VilleN]

The Stars would be in a worse position to win the SC next year if they did the deal you are proposing.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Well their professional GM who does this stuff for a living believes they need help with their top 4 D on the RS. So that's probably why they don't just trade for Coleman. They need Andersson much more than they need Coleman.

They need help, but they do not need to big minute guy. Luke Schenn type vet is all they need. Someone younger, but they do not need to pay a #1 C type for a #4 Dman.

[PepsiFree]

As much as I like it getting a little spicy, I actually don’t think it’s super controversial to suggest the Stars would be better next year with Andersson, Zary, Coleman over, let’s say, Johnston, Blackwell, Lyubushkin.

Beyond a year or two? No probably not. Worth trading Johnston to achieve? No but Diss isn’t arguing that.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

As much as I like it getting a little spicy, I actually don’t think it’s super controversial to suggest the Stars would be better next year with Andersson, Zary, Coleman over, let’s say, Johnston, Blackwell, Lyubushkin.

Beyond a year or two? No probably not. Worth trading Johnston to achieve? No but Diss isn’t arguing that.

It also isn’t super controversial to say that they aren’t. Which is what he is doing.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by VilleN

The Stars would be in a worse position to win the SC next year if they did the deal you are proposing.

I didn't propose any deal. The debate was are the Stars better Cup contenders with Johnston or minus Johnston and add Andersson, Zary, and Coleman. In no realistic universe are they better with just Johnston. If they were they would not hs e got caved in by the Oilers last year. The Stars would definitely be a stronger team to try and win a Cup next year with the 3 players. I mean you can argue otherwise but anybody can argue anything. I can argue my 14 year old is better off dropping out of school and hoping to win the lottery but it isn't more likely to lead to life success.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Bonded

lol for someone who complains about people taking shots at others for no reason maybe don’t do it yourself. I disagree with the base premise of your post. A #1C > depth. They downgrade to Hintz as their #1C which precludes them from winning a cup especially when Duchene is the #2C

Hintz is already their #1C. Rantanen played the majority of his minutes with Hintz and Robertson last season (once he landed with the Stars).

Seguin (94%) and Duchene (73%) played most of their minutes last season at C.

Johnston played 54% at C and 46% at RW.

No opinions needed, the data shows that your assessment is off.

[VilleN]

He's arguing that it is insane that anyone could believe trading Johnston for Zary, Andersson, and Coleman doesn't make the Stars better next year. In my opinion, they would be worse next year if they did that deal - but the arrogance with which he believes his opinion is correct is what I take issue with - based on last years production you are trading out 71 pts at C (points coming from a single player) for 97 pts spread out across 3 players... I don't see how this is an upgrade at all - and it certainly is not an obvious upgrade.