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Old 07-19-2025, 04:23 PM   #5481
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To me, Robertson is the ultimate example of a perfect complimentary piece to finish out the core of a team. But that’s after the team has built a core of top 2 centers, top pairing defencemen and a #1 goaltender. Similar to Florida getting Reinhart. Problem is that I don’t think the flames should be trading for a player like that until they have the other pieces solidified.

More importantly, I would be concerned about trading for Robertson only to have to sign him to a huge contract before seeing the fit (just like Huberdeau) simply to avoid him walking to free agency after a trade. Would love the idea of a 3-team trade with the flames acquiring the picks/prospects from another team that wants Robertson.
Yes, he is a great player. Do not get me wrong.

But he is that one last complimentary piece you want for a contender looking to make a run. I do not see a fit with the Flames.
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Old 07-19-2025, 04:38 PM   #5482
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As you say, for Johnston sure (not happening) but not for Robertson. Andersson and a prospect, but not Zary.

Would prefer a futures return though, like Bichsel + a pick.
Ya, I am honestly not sure I would add much to Andersson for Robertson. The Stars are in such a bad cap situation that Andersson is their only option for adding to the D group within their cap constraints for this season and next season they are going to have to shed salary from the forward group.

The Flames have huge leverage over the Stars in this situation.

Also, Robertson is not what the Flames need, especially with Huberdeau in the mix. I look at the lines and it is a red flag for me to invest so much on the wings with so many issues down the center.

Huberdeau-Kadri-Coronato
Robertson-Frost-Zary
Coleman-Backlund-Lomberg
Farabee-Sharangovich-Klapka
X: Pospisil, Kirkland

Finally, I am having a really hard time believing the Stars would want to move Robertson out after they just jettisoned Marchment to Seattle. That is like 60 goals on the LW that they would be removing from the roster to maintain 8 centers and then Benn is your top line LW?

????-Hintz-Rantanen
Benn-Seguin-Johnston
Steel-Duchene-Bourque
Back-Faksa-Blackwell
X: ?????, ?????

I know one of their forwards will need to be moved out but Robertson doesn't make sense to me. I like the look of their roster better with the proposed Johnston return (Andersson, Coleman, Pospisil and Lyubushkin removed):

Robertson-Hintz-Rantanen
Coleman-Seguin-Duchene
Benn-Bourque-Steel
Back-Faksa-Blackwell
X: Pospisil, ?????

Heiskanen-Lindell
Harley-Andersson
Bichsel-Lundvist
X: Kolyachonok

If they get the Flames to use 2 retention slots on Andersson and Coleman, then there is enough cap space to fill the 23rd spot and make a significant deadline add for the playoffs.
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Old 07-19-2025, 04:51 PM   #5483
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I would like to give as many opportunities to the young players as possible. I hope a few make the starting roster.
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Old 07-19-2025, 04:52 PM   #5484
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Johnston is about as likely to be traded as Parekh.
I’m not sure why we keep adding him.

They’ve made it known they’d move Robertson for the right deal.
They’ve been adamant in not moving Wyatt.

I’d say it’s time to be realistic with expectations on this one, if anything even happens.
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Old 07-19-2025, 04:59 PM   #5485
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The 22 year old 71 point floor top 6 likely top line centre isn't being swapped for an aging middle pair defenceman? Quelle surprise I'm shocked
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Old 07-19-2025, 05:04 PM   #5486
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Johnston is about as likely to be traded as Parekh.
I’m not sure why we keep adding him.

They’ve made it known they’d move Robertson for the right deal.
They’ve been adamant in not moving Wyatt.

I’d say it’s time to be realistic with expectations on this one, if anything even happens.
I get it. I am just saying that I think the Stars roster looks better if they keep Robertson over Johnston for a few reasons:
1) Robertson is their entire LW depth chart and the drop from him to Benn is huge
2) The return on Johnston would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay bigger. Even just the example of Andersson, Coleman, and Pospisil is good, but then adding in 3 retention slots (1 for Andersson this year and 2 for Coleman's remaining years) and a cap dump in 2 years of Lyubushkin... that is a lot of value adds considering dumping 1 year of Dumba cost a 2nd.

For Robertson without an extension I would give a lot less and I think the end result for the Stars is a lot worse.
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Old 07-19-2025, 05:08 PM   #5487
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To me, Robertson is the ultimate example of a perfect complimentary piece to finish out the core of a team. But that’s after the team has built a core of top 2 centers, top pairing defencemen and a #1 goaltender. Similar to Florida getting Reinhart. Problem is that I don’t think the flames should be trading for a player like that until they have the other pieces solidified.

More importantly, I would be concerned about trading for Robertson only to have to sign him to a huge contract before seeing the fit (just like Huberdeau) simply to avoid him walking to free agency after a trade. Would love the idea of a 3-team trade with the flames acquiring the picks/prospects from another team that wants Robertson.
100%.

At Center we have zero long term options. Kadri is 34 and could be traded. Backlund is 36 and is on the final year of his contract. Frost has regressed for 2 seasons and is on a 2 year prove it contract.

At D, we have 2 proven top 4 once Andersson is traded. Neither of them stars.

Goalie is a bit scary with a sophomore starter and no plan B, but trust in Wolf. We have some decent options at wing, but no stars and a shortage of RH shots.

We have good prospect depth, but only Parekh projects as a star. We have some D and depth forwards ready to challenge for an NHL spot, but most of our best prospects are likely a few years off.

We are 4+ years from contending. We would be wasting Robertsons prime. Losing our first in a deep draft hurts the rebuild. Plus, the Flames arent giving up big assets and signing a big contract to continue rebuilding. A trade for Robertson would signal a transition we are not ready for.
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I get it. I am just saying that I think the Stars roster looks better if they keep Robertson over Johnston for a few reasons:
1) Robertson is their entire LW depth chart and the drop from him to Benn is huge
2) The return on Johnston would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay bigger. Even just the example of Andersson, Coleman, and Pospisil is good, but then adding in 3 retention slots (1 for Andersson this year and 2 for Coleman's remaining years) and a cap dump in 2 years of Lyubushkin... that is a lot of value adds considering dumping 1 year of Dumba cost a 2nd.

For Robertson without an extension I would give a lot less and I think the end result for the Stars is a lot worse.
Looks only better for Calgary.

Dallas is not just looking at their roster for one year.

Andersson is cheap only for one year. The only reason Robertson may be moved is to allocate resources elsewhere for a number of years. Not just one year.
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Looks only better for Calgary.

Dallas is not just looking at their roster for one year.

Andersson is cheap only for one year. The only reason Robertson may be moved is to allocate resources elsewhere for a number of years. Not just one year.
Johnston is just a dream. The Stars get worse by trading Johnston
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Johnston is just a dream. The Stars get worse by trading Johnston
To us, yes. You can't just use a blanket statement like that. Do the Stars get worse if they trade Johnston for McDavid with an extension in place?
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To us, yes. You can't just use a blanket statement like that. Do the Stars get worse if they trade Johnston for McDavid with an extension in place?
lol sure. If Johnston is worth an extended McDavid then McTavish is definitely worth McAvoy.
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To us, yes. You can't just use a blanket statement like that. Do the Stars get worse if they trade Johnston for McDavid with an extension in place?
Thanks, I was trying to hold back my annoyance at going through the effort to "show my work" and then have a couple of opinions roll through with blanket statements and no validation.

Anyway.... Like I said in my last post, I think the Stars' roster looks stronger if they can add a #1RD, a middle 6 forward or two while staying under the cap. They also need to get rid of Lyubushkin and had to pay a 2nd to dump Dumba's 1 year deal, does that mean Lyubushkin would need 2 2nds because he has 2 years left?

If the Flames need to give more then consider this: Johnston + Lyubushkin for Andersson + Coleman + Zary
- Andersson fills the hole the in the Stars RD ($2.275M x 1 year)
- Coleman can play #2/3LW ($2.45M x 2 years)
- Zary would slot into the second or third line wing and would need a 2 year 'cheap' show me contract ($3Mx2?) and then could get extended for bigger money once Seguin's contract expires and he establishes himself as a winger or center.
- Lyubushkin cap dump (Opens up $3.25M for 2 years)

Stars would then have $6.9M in cap space to add 1 more forward to get to a 23 player roster and have cap space leftover for the trade deadline. Also, the Stars would have the cap space to extend Robertson, Harley, Andersson, Bourque, and Lundkvist next season.

Robertson-Hintz-Rantanen
Coleman-Seguin-Zary
Benn-Duchene-Bourque
Back-Faksa-Steel
X: Blackwell, ?????

Heiskanen-Andersson
Lindell-Harley
Bichsel-Lundvist
X: Kolyachonok

But ya, Johnston won't be traded and I think this is an overpayment of assets for him anyway.
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So Parekh for Johnston. Did I get that right?
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