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Old 07-18-2025, 06:53 PM   #181
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Just don't get a case of upgraditis. Diminishing returns are extreme in hi fi.


Don't be like Ken Fritz whose son documented his project to create a "perfect" audio room that cost him a million dollars, to the detriment of his family, and then he died. His family sold it for a fraction of what he paid.
I guess it depends on how you look at it, I have done 3 upgrades over the years, new amps and speakers basically, it was all second hand though, not vastly expensive although the price went up as my income did, I spent more than most people would consider reasonable but I listen to music constantly, get an enourmas amount of pleasure out of my hifi, never saw it as an investment, if I had to sell it I might get back what I paid maybe wouldn't but that was never the point, I really really like listening to a nice stereo so for me the cost is worth it, I don't play golf or drive a porsche, I have a nice hifi that's my thing
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I also had the advantage of working part time in the old A&B sound back in the 90's, it did two things, taught me what was good about hifi and what was stupid, the stupid is persuit of sound quality for its own sake, back in the day audiophiles would go on about 'jazz at the pawnshop' as the perfect album to listen to, the reps would come through and demo their gear with these dreadful albums of boring perfectly recorded jazz I would never bother to go listen to live, let alone home on my stereo, they would laugh at me as a wierdo when I'd put some early Louis Armstorng or Jelly Roll Morton on, I would point out in the end the guy playing the music is what makes it great, not the recording engineer
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Old 07-19-2025, 05:05 PM   #183
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I guess it depends on how you look at it, I have done 3 upgrades over the years, new amps and speakers basically, it was all second hand though, not vastly expensive although the price went up as my income did, I spent more than most people would consider reasonable but I listen to music constantly, get an enourmas amount of pleasure out of my hifi, never saw it as an investment, if I had to sell it I might get back what I paid maybe wouldn't but that was never the point, I really really like listening to a nice stereo so for me the cost is worth it, I don't play golf or drive a porsche, I have a nice hifi that's my thing

Of course getting better components when you can is fine, but some people can't stop looking for a perfect reproduction of something they've heard or imagined they could hear.


I bought my living room speakers used as well. The guy who bought them new returned them after a week to get the next model up. And the kicker is he was using $2400 bookshelf speakers as rears in his home theatre.

The old adage applies: Music lovers use their equipment to listen to music; audiophiles use music to listen to their equipment.
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Of course getting better components when you can is fine, but some people can't stop looking for a perfect reproduction of something they've heard or imagined they could hear.


I bought my living room speakers used as well. The guy who bought them new returned them after a week to get the next model up. And the kicker is he was using $2400 bookshelf speakers as rears in his home theatre.

The old adage applies: Music lovers use their equipment to listen to music; audiophiles use music to listen to their equipment.
the other thing people tend to forget is hi end systems tend to be lousy at playing most of the music that we grow up on, you can't listen to punk or most rock on expensive systems, it just sounds brutally bad, I have a low end bedroom system that I play most of the stuff I grew up loving, it has all the things audiophiles hate, tone controls and a loudness button!! but the Damned or MC5 sound kick arse on it
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Of course getting better components when you can is fine, but some people can't stop looking for a perfect reproduction of something they've heard or imagined they could hear.


I bought my living room speakers used as well. The guy who bought them new returned them after a week to get the next model up. And the kicker is he was using $2400 bookshelf speakers as rears in his home theatre.

The old adage applies: Music lovers use their equipment to listen to music; audiophiles use music to listen to their equipment.
I've never heard of this but it makes sense to me. Extreme Hifi can get exhausting, so I wondered what some of those guys were enjoying.

I can hear many of the differences, but even then, sometimes I like enjoying the music by "zooming out" and just listen generally vs have insane detail meaning I am "zoomed in" and must examine constantly.
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If it helps at all the great thing about conventional hi fi is it doesnt really age or need replacing unlike almost everything else in life, the 3000 will be all you need to listen to music into your dotage if you choose.

My speakers were bought in Montreal for 6 grand in the early 90's, I then bought them off the origanal owner for 2500 in 2008 or so, never needed a repair, are now more valuble than when I bought them ironically, I will pass them on to one of my kids if I have to move to an apartment or retirement home and they will continue to work fine for another 50 or more years

Almost nothing in life is as good a value as hi fi, cars break down, houses cost a fortune while you live in them, almost everything else requires constant upgrades subscriptions and has to be replaced while an amp and a pair of speakers just work for decades if you dont abuse them
Thanks, and yes, im starting to see that it is essentially a 30 year investment, with the odd upgrade here and there.

I also did make the choice to get a receiver that allows bluetooth connection. ultimately i think that will help early on taking advantage of the speakers while i slowly build out a vinyl collection (as well as later).
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Pardon the foam roller in the corner:

https://imgur.com/a/ujXBDCP

I'll probably get some speaker stands and put them next to the sideboard.
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Thanks, and yes, im starting to see that it is essentially a 30 year investment, with the odd upgrade here and there.

I also did make the choice to get a receiver that allows bluetooth connection. ultimately i think that will help early on taking advantage of the speakers while i slowly build out a vinyl collection (as well as later).
I bought a wifi server a few years ago, I bought it because my pre amp was really old and only had three inputs, TT, Aux and tape but it sounds so nice I didn't want to replace it, I realised the new Digital to Audio convertors were now small pre amps so I could plug the DAC into the aux connection then plug the CD, TV, my sonos reciever and still have a few left over inputs, then I realised I could plug a Hard drive into it and stream FLAC files through it using an app on my phone.

I now control my 1980ish hifi via an app on my phone from anywhere in the house, make up little playlists for myself as I eat dinner, it's so effing cool and convinient!!
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So...not sure if the best thread and if not will create a separate thread on its own.

Recently bought a Platinum Karaoke Cello 2 set: https://platinumkaraoke.com/products/intl-cello-v2.

Intent is to connect it to one our our TVs for the words but trying to figure out a budget friendly receiver/speaker combo that'll fit the bill, I know neither of our current soundbars are the right way nor do we have a receiver.

Not looking to break the bank on this, not pros, just looking for a decent budget friendly set up.

Thoughts?

EDIT: I did find a decent deal on a used
Onkyo TX-NR515 Receiver
2x Polk Audio TSi200 Book shelf speakers

The specs seem to line up well, curious if others may have thoughts?

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So...not sure if the best thread and if not will create a separate thread on its own.

Recently bought a Platinum Karaoke Cello 2 set: https://platinumkaraoke.com/products/intl-cello-v2.

Intent is to connect it to one our our TVs for the words but trying to figure out a budget friendly receiver/speaker combo that'll fit the bill, I know neither of our current soundbars are the right way nor do we have a receiver.

Not looking to break the bank on this, not pros, just looking for a decent budget friendly set up.

Thoughts?

EDIT: I did find a decent deal on a used
Onkyo TX-NR515 Receiver
2x Polk Audio TSi200 Book shelf speakers

The specs seem to line up well, curious if others may have thoughts?
Without digging, I would assume it will turn out OK. If anything, the quality of output from the karaoke set is the part I'd be least confident in if the quality of the output turns out weird.
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