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Old 07-16-2025, 03:43 PM   #5181
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Robertson is a bad idea for a number of reasons first and foremost being our prospects can look at our depth chart like anyone else.

We currently have huby, sharky,scoronato, coleman locked up long term. Klapka is two years but expect we will be looking to extend before his two years are up. Lomberg and pospisil.
Bringing in another winger means we have 5 of 8 positions lockedup long term.
At some point( as soon as this year probably) some of our myriad of lw prospects going to go where exactly am i going to play on this team? And start demanding out.

He is at the top of stated age range, a winger, and we would be using the last of our high value assets to get another winger? Doesnt make sense to me and i dont see him as some kind of exceptional player not much difference from peterka.
He’s better than everyone not named Huberdeau, so you just deal with that after a lose another one of the wingers you named. Not rocket science.
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Old 07-16-2025, 03:44 PM   #5182
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I feel like Frost and Robertson would make a good duo. Playmaking and puck possession from Frost and Robertson to finish. We want Frost to succeed staple him to a guy the same age who can finish. Slap the Bison on the RW that could be the start of a long standing top line.
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Old 07-16-2025, 03:46 PM   #5183
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The Flames were the 6th worst team at scoring goals last season. That's why generating offense seems like a pretty pressing need. Both now and into the future. Robertson is what? 25? So he'll play at a pretty high level for the next 8 years. Unless he turns into a pumpkin in CGY that would be a pretty fair contract. The best part is that he's still a RFA at the end of the season, so you can watch him play before making a commitment.

I just don't see the Flames ever landing that caliber of player as an UFA, not in a 32 team league with the salary cap significantly increasing each year.

Finally, developing skilled offensive Cs would be easier with a guy like Robertson on their wing than with a guy like Coleman.
I like Robertson for the reasons you’ve outlined, but we are 1-2 drafts away from where we should consider these kinds of moves IMO.

We might not pick top 5, but the closer to it the better these next two seasons. This type of move puts us in that 16-20 range again IMO, which is just the worst.
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Counterpoint: he scores boatloads of goals and we suck at scoring goals.
Our base problem with the team is that kadri is a borderline top line center. Our next best is two bottom six centers. We didnt miss last year because St. Louis went on a run it’s because the team is fundamentally flawed with a huge gap between our top six and bottom six centers. Robertson doesn’t change that.

We struggled to score because a number if our players had slumps, injuries and we are weak down the middle with a defence that isn’t particularly creative or mobile.
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Old 07-16-2025, 03:53 PM   #5185
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^ Robertson would be an upgrade on any of the wingers the Flames currently have. Conroy can certainly move one or two wingers in a trade when the need arises. The only immovable contract is Huberdeau's.

I also don't quite understand the "last of our high value assets", the Flames have other high value assets. I bet Zary + Coronato could get you an arm and a leg in a trade, maybe even a young top C. Weegar is a high value asset, so is Kadri. Moreover, Robertson doesn't stop being an asset once he becomes a Calgary Flame.
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Old 07-16-2025, 03:53 PM   #5186
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Robertson is a bad idea for a number of reasons first and foremost being our prospects can look at our depth chart like anyone else.

We currently have huby, sharky,scoronato, coleman locked ip long term. Klpaka is two years but expect we will be looking to extend before his two years are up. Lomberg and pospisil.
Bringing in another winger means we have 5 of 8 positions lockedup long term.
At some point( as soon as this year probably) some of our myriad of lw prospects going to go where exactly am i going to play on this team? And start demanding out.

He is at the top of stated age range, a winger, and we would be using the last of our high value assets to get another winger? Doesnt make sense to meand i dont see him as some kind of exceptional player not myluch difference from peterka.
What PPG centres are available for Robertson? What top 5 draft picks?

Coleman isn't locked up long term and I expect he's gone within a year. Pospisil could be traded easily (and I think it could be a good move). Klapka is still a wild card.

Coronato is a RHS who can play RW. He's irrelevant in this conversation.

Not sure what Peterka, who was a pending RFA, has to do with this. Sure, the Flames could have tried for him, but Buffalo is probably on Rasmus' list.
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I like Robertson for the reasons you’ve outlined, but we are 1-2 drafts away from where we should consider these kinds of moves IMO.

We might not pick top 5, but the closer to it the better these next two seasons. This type of move puts us in that 16-20 range again IMO, which is just the worst.
Let's say the next best offer is a 2nd round pick. What do you do?
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I haven’t seen a single rumour, “legit” or not, that involves a top 6 centre coming back for Andersson. I don’t even know where this idea came from.
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Let's say the next best offer is a 2nd round pick. What do you do?
Tell them to add a 7th and take the trade. The only thing that has value are picks because players may help us win.
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I like Robertson for the reasons you’ve outlined, but we are 1-2 drafts away from where we should consider these kinds of moves IMO.

We might not pick top 5, but the closer to it the better these next two seasons. This type of move puts us in that 16-20 range again IMO, which is just the worst.
I definitely see where you're coming from, and I also don't want the Flames to finish in the 16-20 range. That said, I think they would end up higher than that with Robertson. Probably around 11-12 in the standings next year. If they end up being rather average then it would give Conroy the opportunity to trade all of Coleman, Backlund, Kadri and Robertson around the trade deadline.
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What PPG centres are available for Robertson? What top 5 draft picks?

Coleman isn't locked up long term and I expect he's gone within a year. Pospisil could be traded easily (and I think it could be a good move). Klapka is still a wild card.

Coronato is a RHS who can play RW. He's irrelevant in this conversation.

Not sure what Peterka, who was a pending RFA, has to do with this. Sure, the Flames could have tried for him, but Buffalo is probably on Rasmus' list.

If mctavish is remotely available then Robertson should be a dead conversation.

If you move Coleman and bring in another winger no net gain.

Yes Andersson is our only high value trade chip. Kadri isnt moving. It’s obvious weegar is a rock he isnt going anywhere. What value does Coleman have exactly? Second and a third? Maybe?
Peterka was a comparison offensive winger.
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If mctavish is remotely available then Robertson should be a dead conversation.

If you move Coleman and bring in another winger no net gain.

Yes Andersson is our only high value trade chip. Kadri isnt moving. It’s obvious weegar is a rock he isnt going anywhere. What value does Coleman have exactly? Second and a third? Maybe?
Peterka was a comparison offensive winger.
… the other team also has to be interested. Is Anaheim interested in Rasmus at all?
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So, no actual rumors today, right? Just don't want to go looking back many pages of the same argument.
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So, no actual rumors today, right? Just don't want to go looking back many pages of the same argument.
Nope

Sec214 posted some positive GIFs late last night that got everyone excited, but then nothing throughout the day here today.
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Getting a top line FW for Andersson is a massive booth for offense. Flames may take a hit defensively but effectively under this hypothetical, the Flames would be adding Robertson and Parekh to the top line powerplay unit and a big jump up in projecting 5v5 points production.

The question we should be asking is what is the prospective trade off of losing a bit of defense over the prospective boost in overall offensive production.
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Our base problem with the team is that kadri is a borderline top line center. Our next best is two bottom six centers. We didnt miss last year because St. Louis went on a run it’s because the team is fundamentally flawed with a huge gap between our top six and bottom six centers. Robertson doesn’t change that.

We struggled to score because a number if our players had slumps, injuries and we are weak down the middle with a defence that isn’t particularly creative or mobile.
Correct but the problem is not only centre. We lack top line talent period and Robertson is definitely that. I agree that a lack of quality top 6 talent is a glaring issue on the team and no one IMO is giving up top line centre talent for what we have to sell. Robertson would likely be the best case scenario of filling both skill and need that we're likely to get.

We need top line talent. He's top line talent. We can't score goals. He scores goals. This is likely all a theoretical exercise but some kind of Rasmus for Robertson swap would be the best return we could hope for.
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So, no actual rumors today, right? Just don't want to go looking back many pages of the same argument.
There was actually. Some pretty huge ones, franchise shaking and basically confirmed rumours. Legit confirmed rumours.

We all just prefer to have the same convo we’ve been having for the last month instead of talking about them though. Kind of a comfort thing.
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I am tweaking my 3 way blockbuster with a bit of justification for each.

Dallas trades: Robertson $7.75M, Bourque $950k
Dallas receives: Andersson ($2.275)+Coleman ($1.225M)+Pospisil ($1.5)M+2026 VGK 1st

Dallas gives up a young player and a top line forward in the deal. They get Andersson 50% retained and get Coleman with double retention for 2 years which provides immense value for the team. Pospisil brings some of the agitation lost with Marchment out and he has shown some nice upside. They get a pick back in a draft where they do not have a 1st

Anaheim trades: McTavish, Zellweger (1 retention spot for Coleman)
Anaheim receives: Robertson, Bourque

Anaheim moves on from a RFA and brings in a new star player. Robertson would be the Ducks best forward and with Quenville the Ducks are looking to win sooner than later. Bourque is a center replacement

Calgary trades: Andersson, Coleman, Pospisil, VGK 1st (uses their 2 remaining retention slots)
Calgary receives: McTavish (signs for $9Mx8 years) Zellweger

Flames put a lot of chips in to grab the 2 pieces they need the most in a young center and left shot D. They are able to hold onto all their premium young assets but need to part with their 2nd 2026 1st. Pospisil is also a piece that has more upside. Flames would have a center, winger, Dman, and goalie all under 25 to build around. All of a sudden the retool is looking legit.

I had thought about taking Bourque and Pospisil out and adding Zary to the Ducks.
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I haven’t seen a single rumour, “legit” or not, that involves a top 6 centre coming back for Andersson. I don’t even know where this idea came from.
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