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Old 07-15-2025, 07:09 PM   #4901
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A team that is contending or should be contending, not the flames.
Younger better player/better asset...it would be a homerun of a trade
Being hell bent on magic beans is crazy. The chance any prospect or pick in the Rasmus trade is better than Robertson is extremely low. Flames would be able to trade that asset down the line too.

Its this kinda thinking that "did not want"

Markstom, Tanev, Kadri...ect.

This idea the Flames should not get mid 20s star players IF a great deal comes along because they aren't "contenders" is incredibly short sighted.
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Old 07-15-2025, 07:14 PM   #4902
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Futures from Dallas would have very little shot becoming as good as Robertson is now at such a young age based on where they’ll be drafting.

I’m really shocked how many people dislike a 40g 100pt winger so much.
Yea he’s not the center we need but he’s instantly become our top forward regardless.
I also think he’d do very well with Kadri.

With that said I don’t think CGY gets him, but to say you’d rather have magic beans is strange.
His game probably nose dives when he comes here he isn’t the game breaking talent like a Johnny or Marner on the wing. Not even a Rantanen type.

I dont see the electric player I would be ready to commit to on the wing. Maybe if we didn’t have Huberdeau it would make more sense.
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The drop off from Johnston or Hintz to Seguin is significant.

I don’t know I wouldn’t be very happy if my GM sent a 70 point 22 yo center packing so I can upgrade my 2nd pairing with a 29 year old defender coming off his worst season.
Not really. Seguin put up a 1.05 Pts/G pace in his 20 games in the regular season last year and had 25 goals on 68 games the year before. If he could stay healthy for a whole season he could still be a 30 goal guy. The production is not far off on a short term scale.

However, behind Robertson you have... Benn and ? Duchene is a left shot but his data shows as 73% C, 27% RW so I don't think he gives you LW depth.

I think there is an argument to the Stars needing Robertson more than 4-5 top 3 Cs.
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Old 07-15-2025, 07:17 PM   #4904
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His game probably nose dives when he comes here he isn’t the game breaking talent like a Johnny or Marner on the wing. Not even a Rantanen type.

I dont see the electric player I would be ready to commit to on the wing. Maybe if we didn’t have Huberdeau it would make more sense.
you and Rhett agree, no way!
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Old 07-15-2025, 07:17 PM   #4905
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His game probably nose dives when he comes here he isn’t the game breaking talent like a Johnny or Marner on the wing .
Exactly. Huberdeau 2.0
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It would be such a clear asset upgrade for the Flames...its not even realistic without adding big time on the Flames end

"do not want"

I supposed actively tanking the team would be easier to do but if we are talking about improving the franchise now and in the future you start the car if something was actually available. Rasmus wasn't very good last season, is 29, and is about to sign a retirement contract.

It would be such a win of a trade for the Flames its not even realistic though so probably not worth the debate
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Old 07-15-2025, 07:38 PM   #4907
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Yes, Robertson is an elite, PPG, first line winger - so was Huberdeau.
Neither is a game breaker, but more of a complimentary piece.

After being burned with Huby, I would hope (in the unlikely scenario we acquired him) we quickly offload him to the highest bidder for a young C or draft picks.
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Yeah, I could easily see the same scenario play out with Robertson that we saw with Huby.
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I thought the Flames were going to follow the Dallas model? That actually means holding your picks and using them. Acquiring more even. If Jim Nill burnt his 1st rounders picking up 25 year old stars he doesn't find Harley Stankoven Robertson Hintz Johnston Oettinger. Do we trust our scouts or not?

This management group has been pretty good at finding value with their picks. I think we should just let them work. That requires some patience. I don't see the value in picking up a bonafide star 25 year old winger and playing him with the elder millennial centers or Morgan Frost.
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I thought the Flames were going to follow the Dallas model? That actually means holding your picks and using them. Acquiring more even. If Jim Nill burnt his 1st rounders picking up 25 year old stars he doesn't find Harley Stankoven Robertson Hintz Johnston Oettinger. Do we trust our scouts or not?

This management group has been pretty good at finding value with their picks. I think we should just let them work. That requires some patience. I don't see the value in picking up a bonafide star 25 year old winger and playing him with the elder millennial centers or Morgan Frost.
Stankoven, Hintz and Robertson could have been found without any first round picks.
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you and Rhett agree, no way!
Do they disagree on anything?
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Stankoven, Hintz and Robertson could have been found without any first round picks.
So Andersson for six 2nd round picks then.
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They disagree that they're the same person.
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Futures from Dallas would have very little shot becoming as good as Robertson is now at such a young age based on where they’ll be drafting.

I’m really shocked how many people dislike a 40g 100pt winger so much.
Yea he’s not the center we need but he’s instantly become our top forward regardless.
I also think he’d do very well with Kadri.

With that said I don’t think CGY gets him, but to say you’d rather have magic beans is strange.
He really reminds me of Huberdeau. Soft, can't step it up in the playoffs, lots of points with talent around him.

One Huberdeau is enough for me. It also hurts us in the future by making us better in the regular season, leading to a much lower pick in the next few drafts.
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I like Robertson. Will never bring a physical presence but he's pretty clutch & reliable offensively.

Was Dallas' best player against the oilers in their first WCF meeting.

Flames have been starving for reliable scorers especially.

Not every player has to/is going to be that right handed center. Doesn't mean the player doesn't bring value to the team.
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I could be wrong, but I feel like Montreal would be more interested in a Zary or Frost than Kadri
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At least Robertson is quite a bit younger than was Huberdeau was when he was acquired. Other than that they're basically the same.
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Robertson for Andersson would be a no brainer. But realistically the Flames are adding, and that means spending futures. We have no business talking about trading our best prospects or first round picks at this stage of the rebuild.
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He really reminds me of Huberdeau. Soft, can't step it up in the playoffs, lots of points with talent around him.

One Huberdeau is enough for me. It also hurts us in the future by making us better in the regular season, leading to a much lower pick in the next few drafts.
So Robertson, with most of his playoff points coming in the highest pressure games, can’t step up in the playoffs, and is simultaneously dependent on the talent around him (which the Flames apparently don’t have) but will lower our draft pick even FURTHER (which puts us in the playoffs, which is bad) because of… ?

Makes sense.
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Robertson 44 points in 56 playoff games - can’t step it up in the playoffs

Johnston 32 points in 56 playoff games - can’t miss elite center who cannot be traded.
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