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Old 07-14-2025, 09:46 PM   #4741
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Why can't we just accept that changing our strategy that has led to 2 playoff series wins in 20 years by bottoming out is acceptable and not attack all who suggest it? Rhett can't be the only one who thinks the Sharks and Mammoth are in more enviable positions than the Flames.

Perhaps Conroy and his team don't agree, but I don't understand the culture of mediocrity that we are building.
There is plenty of evidence that they have changed strategy. You seem to be ignoring it
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Yes. I agree with this too. It doesn't matter what we want. I just don't see the need to attack those on team tank vs team maintain.
We should unite into team we need a new owner.
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Anaheim: Full rebuild, 7 consecutive seasons out of playoffs and counting. One series win in 10 years.
Detroit: Full rebuild, 9 consecutive seasons out of playoffs and counting.
Buffalo: Full rebuild, 14 consecutive seasons out of playoffs and counting.
Arizona: Full rebuild. Only playoff appearance for 12 years was in the Covid year, when they won the qualifying round. Franchise suspended, all assets went to Utah.
There's 32 NHL teams. 4 examples (2 of which have had major ownership issues with minimal salary spent for significant periods of time) of tear down rebuilds not leading to any level of success is actually pretty decent.

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Old 07-14-2025, 09:47 PM   #4744
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Yes. I agree with this too. It doesn't matter what we want. I just don't see the need to attack those on team tank vs team maintain.
Who is attacking them?
Challenging the views with facts isn’t an attack

And there is no “team maintain”
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Old 07-14-2025, 09:51 PM   #4745
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Who is attacking them?
Challenging the views with facts isn’t an attack

And there is no “team maintain”
Sorry, its team bottom out vs team try to sneak in and surprise - because this can be the year.
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Old 07-14-2025, 09:55 PM   #4746
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Seems everyone on both sides mocks and is simultaneously tired of the back and forth between rebuild strategies. I feel alone in actually loving all the back and forth on the topic, I feel I've learned a lot and have been persuaded in both directions at times and formed new opinions on the topic.

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Sorry, its team bottom out vs team try to sneak in and surprise - because this can be the year.
No that’s also not it
Maybe try to consume what people are actually saying instead of mis representing it
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Sorry, its team bottom out vs team try to sneak in and surprise - because this can be the year.
Pretty disingenuous to act like a victim with the whole "please don't attack team tank" and then immediately turn around and make a passive-aggreisve, condescending statement about people that don't share that view. Nobody is saying try to sneak in and surprise.

It's team support the Flames and understand that nothing fans say on a forum has an impact on team direction, so beating the same drum over and over and over about sell all vets and tank is tiresome and becomes annoying.
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Sorry, its team bottom out vs team try to sneak in and surprise - because this can be the year.
But they didn't try to sneak and surprise last year..that roster had just overachieved and it just ended up happening.

I think the real strategy is team "Build long term, manage assets, and draft well"

If you look at what Conroy has actually done he's tried to:

- Acquire additional draft picks
- Acquire undervalued U-25 Players
- Stay out of the UFA market

You can't control where you pick, especially to pick high in the right season, but as long as you're accumulating assets and trying to build with a consistent vision then you have a chance.

And you just hope things fall they way they need to and you get a high pick in the right season.

Even for the teams that have tanked it's not a quick fix, and unless you're the Penguins and Blackhawks it takes 8-9 years after you pick high to win. So really you just have to be patient and build over the long haul.

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Old 07-14-2025, 10:05 PM   #4750
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although I will say this about the..."Kadri Situation", he was the only player not to give a garbage bag day interview and we haven't heard from him until today. I'd read more into that than anything else. But that's just me.

Conroy mentioned that Kadri was ill that day... don't think there's much to it
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But they didn't try to sneak and surprise last year..that roster had just overachieved and it just ended up happening.

I think the real strategy is team "Build long term, manage assets, and draft well"

If you look at what Conroy has actually done he's tried to:

- Acquire additional draft picks
- Acquire undervalued U-25 Players
- Stay out of the UFA market

You can't control where you pick, especially to pick high in the right season, but as long as you're accumulating assets and trying to build with a consistent vision then you have a chance.

And you just hope things fall they way they need to and you get a high pick in the right season.

Even for the teams that have tanked it's not a quick fix, and unless you're the Penguins and Blackhawks it takes 8-9 years after you pick high to win. So really you just have to be patient and build over the long haul.
Patience is the key word.

Panthers didn’t trade for other pieces before they picked high.
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Patience is the key word.

Panthers didn’t trade for other pieces before they picked high.
What about when they acquired Roberto Luongo before they drafted 1st overall?

Or Kris Versteeg in June 2011 before drafting 3rd (2011) 2nd (2013) and 1st (2014)?

Or Brian Campbell in June 2011.
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I feel like we're really, really close to solving this tonight.
Just a few more pages guys and surely it will be. No going to bed anyone until this done. Put on some coffee.
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https://www.facebook.com/DallasStars...6368814888424/


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Aaron Judge height: 6'7"
Lian Bischel height: 6'7"

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Patience is the key word.

Panthers didn’t trade for other pieces before they picked high.
Ehh depends when you think the start was.

Florida made lots of trades right around the time they drafted Huberdeau, and Barkov.

Brian Campbell, Kris Versteeg, Kopecey, Luongo pt 2 et
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Judge standing at 6'7"
Bischel aka big bird standing at 6'7"
Smoke coming out of the stack things brewing?
Guy #1 lighting a match aka we have a match
Guy #2 dousing himself with gas
If guy 1 and 2 meet Holly hell it’s going to rip lol I am lost
Dallas buyers club the stars are the match

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