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Old 07-14-2025, 06:20 PM   #4681
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Not sure what to make of this one. Excited non the less.
In the spirit of Sec I'll leave this

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Old 07-14-2025, 06:21 PM   #4682
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Well sounds like something is close then
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Old 07-14-2025, 06:22 PM   #4683
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Is that a good surprise or a bad (why so cheap?) surprise??
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Old 07-14-2025, 06:23 PM   #4684
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Bischel a 1st AND Robertson?? haha
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Old 07-14-2025, 06:24 PM   #4685
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Is that a good surprise or a bad (why so cheap?) surprise??
She says ‘What!?’ So I’m imagining a team is making out like a bandit… Bourque + Bischel + conditional 1st (SCF appearance or it’s a 2nd) for Andy 1/2 retained and extended + Pospisil it is then

Edit: hahahaa even better
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*massive sigh*

Some of you are just endless broken records eh.

Do you expect the flames to just.. gut the culture and leadership for a non-guaranteed shot at something in the top 5, which is also not guaranteed to pan out?

Burning all the boats for a lottery pick is adding problems to just get *a chance* at solving another.

They're going with the Dallas model, not San Jose/Chicago, who still look hapless after several seasons of drafting with top picks.
The Dallas model isn't proven to do anything. They are always in playoffs, but never a contender.

I guess it beats making playoffs every other year and never winning a round.
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Old 07-14-2025, 07:14 PM   #4687
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The Dallas model isn't proven to do anything. They are always in playoffs, but never a contender.

I guess it beats making playoffs every other year and never winning a round.
They made 3 straight conference finals - that makes them a contender
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They made 3 straight conference finals - that makes them a contender
No it doesnt because they never sold off all veterans and tanked for years for top picks. That's the only way to become a contender. /s
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Old 07-14-2025, 07:22 PM   #4689
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The Dallas model also likes to ignore missing the playoffs 9 times in 13 seasons between 08/09 and 20/21

Maybe they should have tore it down since it took 13 years to get to contender status when they started missing the playoffs . If Flames only make the playoffs 4 of the next 10 years after missing the past 3 I won’t be very happy that they “didn’t go the Chicago or SJ route”
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Old 07-14-2025, 07:23 PM   #4690
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Interesting to see people tell us what Kadri should do since he’s won already.

Glad the Panthers didn’t think that way this year.
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Old 07-14-2025, 07:27 PM   #4691
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*massive sigh*

Some of you are just endless broken records eh.

Do you expect the flames to just.. gut the culture and leadership for a non-guaranteed shot at something in the top 5, which is also not guaranteed to pan out?

Burning all the boats for a lottery pick is adding problems to just get *a chance* at solving another.

They're going with the Dallas model, not San Jose/Chicago, who still look hapless after several seasons of drafting with top picks.
I am not specifically speaking of the quoted post, but the 'rolling your eyes arrogance' of these types of posts is tiresome. They are hypocritical as well as the record is broken on both sides of the argument.

Contrasting opinions is what makes discussion interesting. I don't agree with the 'staying the course' crowd, but I appreciate some of the arguments. I think there is value in developing players in a competitive and healthy culture. I agree that we shouldn't be condemning the team for having more success then we gave them credit for. I also agree that there is a case the Flames may not be in a position to finish bottom 5 so are making the best of it.

But having an interesting argument does not give people a foundation to treat the 'pro rebuild' crowd like idiots. The basic facts are:
  1. The Flames have been perpetually a middle of the road team. We have had limited playoff success. We have drafted in the top 5 once, and that was the 4 spot.
  2. Just about every single Stanley Cup winning team has gone through a traditional rebuild. Yes, rebuilding does not guarantee success. But to date, not rebuilding does guarantee a lack of success.
Do the above FACTS invalidate the other arguments? Not at all. But the arguments for a rebuild are sound. Even if some of you are tired of hearing them.

Right now it appears to me like the Flames are so excited by almost making the 8 spot that they made a deadline move to improve the team and tried very hard to make a big addition this summer. Personally, I think we need to be better then getting excited by almost taking the last playoff spot. In fact, that was exactly the worst case spot to finish for a team that is supposed to be rebuilding. There is a silver lining for sure, but I am getting sick of silver linings. I would prefer to focus on getting the silver cup.
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Old 07-14-2025, 07:27 PM   #4692
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I’d much rather be San Jose and Chicago and get much better draft picks for missing the playoffs.
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Old 07-14-2025, 07:32 PM   #4693
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If it’s Dallas for Ras, I’d just hope for either of Bischel or their 2027 1st rounder. I wouldn’t expect to get both.
Bischel definitely fits the profile of LHD that Conroy has been reportedly looking for.
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I’d much rather be San Jose and Chicago and get much better draft picks for missing the playoffs.
You can always switch teams
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Burning all the boats for a lottery pick is adding problems to just get *a chance* at solving another.

They're going with the Dallas model, not San Jose/Chicago, who still look hapless after several seasons of drafting with top picks.
I'd take the SJ or Hawks roster over ours.

They are likely closer to being a contender than we are.
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Old 07-14-2025, 07:40 PM   #4696
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Dallas needs cheap players. I think most teams would be more willing to part with picks and prospects.

Probably why the Vegas deal had legs but the player didn’t want to come to Calgary. Likely why the Kings came with a picks based offer that sounded like it was big? Since they couldn’t offer a younger LHD.
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Old 07-14-2025, 07:42 PM   #4697
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I don't know how you can trash the Sharks rebuild. They will likely be one of the top contenders in the west in a few years.

They are doing an amazing job. It will pay off soon.
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Old 07-14-2025, 07:43 PM   #4698
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The Dallas model also likes to ignore missing the playoffs 9 times in 13 seasons between 08/09 and 20/21

Maybe they should have tore it down since it took 13 years to get to contender status when they started missing the playoffs . If Flames only make the playoffs 4 of the next 10 years after missing the past 3 I won’t be very happy that they “didn’t go the Chicago or SJ route”
It also ignores that Dallas hasn't got passed the conference finals, or that their roster is littered with top picks. Calgary isn't a destination spot. We can't rely on getting players drafted and developed by other teams. We need to draft and develop our own.
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I don't know how you can trash the Sharks rebuild. They will likely be one of the top contenders in the west in a few years.

They are doing an amazing job. It will pay off soon.
The best prospect pool in the NHL.
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I don't know how you can trash the Sharks rebuild. They will likely be one of the top contenders in the west in a few years.

They are doing an amazing job. It will pay off soon.
What's your over/under for how many years until they are a top contender.

Also i would appreciate a reply to the question I posed earlier.

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That's all fine. Though I don't recall a rumor with a good prospect AND 2 1sts. I recall speculation the Flames could have gotten similar return to the Nelson deal, perhaps a little better.

But you aren't really answering my question.
I outlined specifically how I would handle it if I were the Flames.

What would you do differently?

Not in the past. Not with some speculated or rumored deals.
In the here and how. How do you think they should handle it?
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