[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The problem with Andersson is the elite players seem to expose him (like with a lot of D) . So I don’t see him as a top pairing guy in the sense you want him out there against McDavid and McKinnon’s of the world

I get where people say he isn’t a top pairing D in the sense he hasn’t shown he can stop the top players defensively , and isn’t elite offensively to make up for it

He CAN play 23 mins a night , and CAN go against top competition , but when he does his play isn’t great as we saw last year

Really he is best suited to lead the 2nd pairing or a 1b pairing where the top pairing has a shut down type D . Most contending teams have this in place so he can slot in perfectly on a 2nd pairing / 1B pairing

This issue is if you have to pay him 8+ million and he needs to be the anchor of the top pairing. That’s where he hasn’t shown he can be that player yet .

Considering Andersson was doing that role this past season with Bahl instead of some established brand name top4 D, it is amazing the conclusions you jump to. The Flames literally gutted their D down to Weegar and Andersson and then partnered each of them with players who are not top 4 calibre players and said "you are the top two pairs". (I really like Bahl and think he stepped up throughout the opportunity but that was a real crash course for him)

Any team that Andersson goes to is likely to be better supported than that, not just with a D partner but with the rest of the D group and forward group. Going to a team like the Stars or VGK would allow Andersson to get back to his game instead of trying to be a Tanev style shutdown D.

Anyway, $8M would likely be on the cheap end of expectations for his contract. Provorov just signed $8.5M and with the cap going up and up the expectations for a #1B kinda guy should be $9+M with elite guys getting $14M or more.

Keep in mind that Karlsson and Doughty are near the end of their 8 year contracts with $11M cap hits. Makar is going to make huge $$ in 2027.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Considering Andersson was doing that role this past season with Bahl instead of some established brand name top4 D, it is amazing the conclusions you jump to. The Flames literally gutted their D down to Weegar and Andersson and then partnered each of them with players who are not top 4 calibre players and said "you are the top two pairs". (I really like Bahl and think he stepped up throughout the opportunity but that was a real crash course for him)

Any team that Andersson goes to is likely to be better supported than that, not just with a D partner but with the rest of the D group and forward group. Going to a team like the Stars or VGK would allow Andersson to get back to his game instead of trying to be a Tanev style shutdown D.

The conclusion I made ? That Andersson is better suited for a 2nd pairing role where he doesn’t have to shut down the other teams top players.

So your argument is that this past year he played a shut down role/top D pairing - where he was unable to shut down the other teams best players - but it’s not his fault because Bahl wasn’t good enough - and was a league worse +\- but if he’s traded he won’t have to play shutdown and can play with better players and be a contributor ?

That’s exactly what I posted . He isn’t good enough to anchor a top pairing D and isn’t a great shutdown D . Both things he showed last season

Few D are though . It’s not a shot at Anderson . He’s just best suited on a non shutdown pairing not going against the other teams best players . And on a contender that is the 2nd pairing

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

The conclusion I made ? That Andersson is better suited for a 2nd pairing role where he doesn’t have to shut down the other teams top players.

So your argument is that this past year he played a shut down role/top D pairing - where he was unable to shut down the other teams best players - but it’s not his fault because Bahl wasn’t good enough - and was a league worse +\- but if he’s traded he won’t have to play shutdown and can play with better players and be a contributor ?

That’s exactly what I posted . He isn’t good enough to anchor a top pairing D and isn’t a great shutdown D . Both things he showed last season

Few D are though . It’s not a shot at Anderson . He’s just best suited on a non shutdown pairing not going against the other teams best players . And on a contender that is the 2nd pairing

Situation, and personnel, matter. Andersson was under siege most of the injury-riddled year. With a proper partner, on a good team, he looks very, very different.

With defensemen especially, you have to evaluate the tools, more so than their current performance, which is so dependent on external factors.

[PepsiFree]

Player A has played 536 games, put up 231 points (0.43 p/gp) and is a career -15.

Player B is two years older, played 860 games, put up 441 points (0.51 p/gp) and is a career -139.

That means Player A scores, on average, 10 less points per season. It also means Player B is on the ice for 10 more goals per season.

One is being talked about by a few like he’s a second pairing defenceman at best, a number 3, etc. The other just logged the most TOI of any player on the Stanley Cup winning team.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Player A has played 536 games, put up 231 points (0.43 p/gp) and is a career -15.

Player B is two years older, played 860 games, put up 441 points (0.51 p/gp) and is a career -139.

That means Player A scores, on average, 10 less points per season. It also means Player B is on the ice for 10 more goals per season.

One is being talked about by a few like he’s a second pairing defenceman at best, a number 3, etc. The other just logged the most TOI of any player on the Stanley Cup winning team.

Honestly a pretty good comparison but I think Andersson could/should return more because at the time of the Jones trade his contract looked like an albatross and his value was at an all-time low but it’s looking like a solid return for the Blackhawks and it worked out remarkably well for the Panthers. Andersson has a low cap hit with the potential to be extended by the team acquiring him and could be a super inexpensive piece for the 25/26 season should the Flames also retain on him. If Jones and his 9.5 AAV for 4 1/2 years can fetch a prospect like Knight and a 1st that is now a 2027 unprotected then we should conceivably earn at the very least a return like that.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Player A has played 536 games, put up 231 points (0.43 p/gp) and is a career -15.

Player B is two years older, played 860 games, put up 441 points (0.51 p/gp) and is a career -139.

That means Player A scores, on average, 10 less points per season. It also means Player B is on the ice for 10 more goals per season.

One is being talked about by a few like he’s a second pairing defenceman at best, a number 3, etc. The other just logged the most TOI of any player on the Stanley Cup winning team.

Player B was the third best D on his team . Exactly where Andersson should slot on a contending team and where he would excel . How did player A do when he was “the guy”

(I assume player B is Jones )

[dammage79]

If that's Seth Jones, the numbers comparison is fine. But the salary retention and Anderssons new contract likely ending up being cheaper will factor in favor of a better return for Andersson.

[shutout]

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/detroi...smus-andersson

Yzerman : "What we could use right now is a defenseman, a top four, and preferably a right shot. That would be our biggest potential need.”

Surprised that we do not hear more about the Red Wings when it comes to Andersson.
Yzerman sounds like Andersson is exactly what they are looking for.

Or is Detroit on his six team no trade list?
- Buffalo
- Winnipeg
- Ottawa
- Detroit

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Player B was the third best D on his team . Exactly where Andersson should slot on a contending team and where he would excel . How did player A do when he was “the guy”

(I assume player B is Jones )

Jones averaged more minutes per game than any other defenceman on the Panthers. You don’t usually see that for your third best D. And his stats, including those at even strength, show he earned those minutes.

Interested in hearing your justification on why he should be considered their third best defenceman based on the playoffs.

[Sandman]

Detroit is another team that would be a great trading partner, due to their depth of young players in their system.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by shutout

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/detroi...smus-andersson



Surprised that we do not hear more about the Red Wings when it comes to Andersson.
Yzerman sounds like Andersson is exactly what they are looking for.

Didn't Yzerman already try to "Misery" Rasmus and his scooter?

[SuperMatt18]

Still think Detroit could be an option where Andersson would go ...Lidstrom was Andersson's favourite player growing up and is part of the Red Wings organization now.

Flames should be willing to take Holl back too - as he likely gets you an asset at the deadline and likely means you don't have to use a retention spot.

Holl (1 x $3.4M)
2026 1st / 2027 1st / Bear / Danielson / Sandin-Pelika / Kasper (ie. One "A" tier piece)
2026 2nd / Gibson / Buchelnikov / Buium / Wallinder (ie. One "B" Tier piece)

for

Andersson (1 x $4.55M)

But of the teams potentially looking for RH D-Man Detroit for sure has the most intriguing collection of assets available (although I think any of the drafted players in that Tier 1 group are unlikely and the 1st rounder is way more likely.).

[Paulie Walnuts]

Still think he probably wants Vegas. Played his best hockey with Hanifin and that would be a great 2nd pairing.

They are just a crappy trading partner.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Player B was the third best D on his team . Exactly where Andersson should slot on a contending team and where he would excel . How did player A do when he was “the guy”

(I assume player B is Jones )

Andersson did great when he was "the guy" on at team that was built to win (2022-23).
- He put up the top minutes on the team (TOI/G 24:05), Hanifin had 22:39, Weegar had 21:06, Tanev had 20:07.
- That same season he outscored all of the other D with 49 points, which was #6 on the team for points

The year before that he also put up 22:40 minutes, 50 points, and was +30 for those of you who care about that. #1 D for points, #5 overall on the team.

On a well built and balanced roster he plays great and he is not playing as the #3 guy, he is still playing as #1 or #2.

The problem with last season wasn't anything to do with Andersson's play and almost entirely had to do with how the roster was built, how little support he had, and how dramatically different his role was from the rest of his career.

What I find impressive is that even with primarily defensive zone starts, he still matched his career high for goals and had a pretty good number of assists on a very low scoring team where the forwards he had the most ice time with were Backlund and Coleman.

That is just a small taste as to why +/- is still a useless statistic to draw conclusions from. The rest of the data largely refutes your opinion.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Andersson did great when he was "the guy" on at team that was built to win (2022-23).
- He put up the top minutes on the team (TOI/G 24:05), Hanifin had 22:39, Weegar had 21:06, Tanev had 20:07.
- That same season he outscored all of the other D with 49 points, which was #6 on the team for points

The year before that he also put up 22:40 minutes, 50 points, and was +30 for those of you who care about that. #1 D for points, #5 overall on the team.

On a well built and balanced roster he plays great and he is not playing as the #3 guy, he is still playing as #1 or #2.

The problem with last season wasn't anything to do with Andersson's play and almost entirely had to do with how the roster was built, how little support he had, and how dramatically different his role was from the rest of his career.

What I find impressive is that even with primarily defensive zone starts, he still matched his career high for goals and had a pretty good number of assists on a very low scoring team where the forwards he had the most ice time with were Backlund and Coleman.

That is just a small taste as to why +/- is still a useless statistic to draw conclusions from. The rest of the data largely refutes your opinion.

Were you eating paste when you watched him play against the Oilers in the playoffs? lol

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Were you eating paste when you watched him play against the Oilers in the playoffs? lol

Excellent throw back. One might say it is worthy of a paste eating troll.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Still think he probably wants Vegas. Played his best hockey with Hanifin and that would be a great 2nd pairing.

They are just a crappy trading partner.

Thing is I think a team like Detroit or another team should just take the chance.

If you identify Andersson as the player you want, and you're not on his NTC, then make the move now and you have until the trade deadline to make a decision.

You get to see if he's a fit on your roster, you can try to convince him to re-sign, and if he won't re-sign or you fall out of the playoff race then you flip him at the deadline to recoup some of your assets you paid to move him.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Thing is I think a team like Detroit or another team should just take the chance.

If you identify Andersson as the player you want, and you're not on his NTC, then make the move now and you have until the trade deadline to make a decision.

You get to see if he's a fit on your roster, you can try to convince him to re-sign, and if he won't re-sign or you fall out of the playoff race then you flip him at the deadline to recoup some of your assets you paid to move him.

Ya like worse case scenario you can trade him at the deadline like Carolina did or like the Islanders did with Vanek.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Thing is I think a team like Detroit or another team should just take the chance.

If you identify Andersson as the player you want, and you're not on his NTC, then make the move now and you have until the trade deadline to make a decision.

You get to see if he's a fit on your roster, you can try to convince him to re-sign, and if he won't re-sign or you fall out of the playoff race then you flip him at the deadline to recoup some of your assets you paid to move him.

I agree but the league is so conservative. I can't see Detroit being aggressive.

A team like Vegas would take the chance.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by shutout

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/detroi...smus-andersson



Surprised that we do not hear more about the Red Wings when it comes to Andersson.
Yzerman sounds like Andersson is exactly what they are looking for.

Or is Detroit on his six team no trade list?
- Buffalo
- Winnipeg
- Ottawa
- Detroit

We did hear about Detroit as being one of the teams interested in Andersson.

The list that was mentioned before July 1st was Red Wings, Sharks, Stars, Hurricane, Leafs, VGK, Bruins, Blues, CBJ, Mammoth, NYR. Then LAK came out of nowhere with news of an offer.

I crossed of the CBJ, LAK, Mammoth, and NYR from my list based on their free agent frenzy moves, although the Mammoth may still be interested as Andersson and Schmidt do not play the same role.

It would be fun to hear which teams are still in the conversation beyond the Stars and VGK.