[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Isn't Johnson a 22 year old 71 pt centre on a team that's looking to contend right now? Why would they trade him for a solid if unremarkable aging defenceman needing a new contract? Seems like wishful thinking more than anything. What am I missing, why would Dallas even entertain this idea?

It worked for them before with the Niewendyk for Iginla trade... Not sure Ramsus is Niewendyk caliber though.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

It worked for them before with the Niewendyk for Iginla trade... Not sure Ramsus is Niewendyk caliber though.

That’d be more like a center for Robertson though.

[flambers]

Iginla at that time was still in juniors, while Niewendyk was a 1st line center (who had a couple 50 goal seasons).

Rasmus, however has had an off year and is a pending UFA

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

He’s a bit lower in value than Dobson, so if we agree on that and say the equivalent value might be more like a 1st, 2nd, and roster player or prospect, then that’s what we are looking at for Ras as a pretty great package.

Johnston alone is a significantly more valuable piece than the sum of that speculative package.

Thank you - that is an engaging response.

I agree, Johnston is a high value asset. I don't think he is near Eichel's value, which ended up being Krebs, Tuch, protected 1st, 2nd (minus a 3rd).

Krebs, at that time was a recently drafted 1st rounder at 17thOA.
Tuch is a former 1st and ~20 goal guy in his mid-20s.
The 1st round pick ended up being 16OA (Ostlund)

Perhaps one could argue that Eichel went for the equivalent of 3 1sts + 2nd.

With full retention, I think Andersson for 1 year is close to 2 1sts because there are numerous teams bidding on his services and no alternatives for the Stars. There is still a gap there but it isn't massive.

Zary closes the value gap a lot. He is only 1 year older than Johnston and looks to have a floor of a middle 6 C/W with potential to be a #2C. Injuries prevented him from breaking out last season but that could keep his cap hit lower and help him fit better into the Stars cap structure.

A minor add behind that might get it done.

[Bonded]

Eichel was sold as a distressed asset though. There is no such pressure with Johnston so his value would be higher

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Wolven

What offers do you think there would be that make the Stars better? There are only 30 other teams to look at (aside from the Flames and Stars) so you do not have to make it a generic open ended statement.

I think if you take a second to think about it, a lot of teams will not be interested in trading for Johnston and even more teams will not be interested in trading away their #1RD.

There's a whole lot of loose threads in this post that I'm not going to be able to tighten up enough to carry on the discussion.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Even if you think Zary + Andersson makes them better than with Johnston alone (debatable), you could bundle any assets from 30 other teams and come up with an equivalent or better package.

Would Boston part with McAvoy? Rangers Fox?

The list goes on. It’s just an absurd notion that Dallas parts with him because they’re so desperate for a RD and, oh shucks, Calgary has one available so we better capitalize on our window because we have a young 22 year old stud center burning a hole in our pocket.

I get fun speculation, off-season and all that but this is delusional.

Do you think the Rangers would trade Fox? No.
But if they wanted to, do you think Fox would waive his NMC? No.
But if he did, would his $9.5M contract fit in the Stars salary cap? No.

Bruins would definitely be interested in Johnston, but they are not trading McAvoy to make it happen.

How about Detroit? They don't really need Johnston and there is no way they would offer Seider.

VGK, TBL, Panthers, Avalanche, Devils, Leafs, Oilers, 'Canes, Senators are all out.
Sharks, Blackhawks, Ducks, Sabres, Mammoth, Kraken, CBJ already have young Cs for days and are unlikely to want to gut their RD depth for another C.
I doubt the Jets weaken their D right now.

20 teams are unlikely to have real interest...

I think the other 10 teams have varying degrees of interest:

• Canucks would be in on the conversation. I doubt they offer Hughes (and he is a LD anyway) and Hronek would have to be the target.
• Penguins want to rebuild, they could offer Karlsson for Johnston....
• Flyers would be interested and could offer Sanheim.
• Montreal wants another top 6 C but are they willing to give up a D of value?
• NYI could try and get in on it and offer ... Pulock?
• Capitals would be interested but have nothing to offer...
• Kings would be interested and could offer Clarke
• Preds would be interested but their best D are all LD
• Wild have some RD depth and a bit of a messy situation with Rossi
• Blues have some RD depth but do they need a C?

In the end, there is likely only a handful of suitors for the Stars who actually have a RD option that is an upgrade for the Stars that they are willing to part with in exchange for Johnston.

If the Stars take Johnston off the table, I think almost all of that interest goes away and the Stars are stuck where they are.

[Jiri Hrdina]

He has to be on the table to be taken off
And there is zero indication that he is or would be

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

He has to be on the table to be taken off
And there is zero indication that he is or would be

Very true. I just used that player as an example of how the Flames should add to get a player like they instead of getting back assets that more then likely don't push the team forward.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I would think 31 teams would be interested in Johnston if he was on the table.

Reality weird proposals as well.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I would think 31 teams would be interested in Johnston if he was on the table.

Reality weird proposals as well.

Sure, except he would be being shopped so nobody would know. This is a team going after an asset not on the market, happens all the time.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Very true. I just used that player as an example of how the Flames should add to get a player like they instead of getting back assets that more then likely don't push the team forward.

Yup. I think it is a fun exercise. I honestly think the Stars are a bad trade partner for the Flames but the Flames have many pieces that the Stars need if they want to get into the cup finals:
- An available top pair RHS D on a cheap contract
- Extra cap space for bad contracts (Lyubushkin)
- Good middle 6 forward depth that could be cost effective

But the thing is, the Flames do not need spare parts from the Stars:
- Bourque was interesting if we could steal him for a 3rd round pick offer-sheet but he certainly is not the cornerstone of an Andersson trade.
- The Stars 2027 1st doesn't have much value as it is likely to be 28-32.
- Robertson is only interesting to the Flames if he can be immediately flipped for a quality C (or if Huberdeau's contract somehow disappeared)

The other teams interested in Andersson can probably beat the Stars "spare parts" offer.

Aside from that, trading Johnston makes it easy for the Stars to keep Andersson, Robertson, and Harley next year. Even with the cap going up, Robertson and Harley are likely going to want close to $20M combined (12+8?) and if Andersson also expects 8+M then they are over the cap again.

The cost is steep but it does enable a strong team core that can go after the cup multiple times over the next 5 years.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Sure, except he would be being shopped so nobody would know. This is a team going after an asset not on the market, happens all the time.

Sure but Jim Nill would be immediately be fired if he was offered Coleman Andersson and Pospisin for Johnston and never even shopping him.

He’s not being traded or shopped. A reason why they are looking to move Tobertson potentially.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Aside from that, trading Johnston makes it easy for the Stars to keep Andersson, Robertson, and Harley next year. Even with the cap going up, Robertson and Harley are likely going to want close to $20M combined (12+8?) and if Andersson also expects 8+M then they are over the cap again.

The cost is steep but it does enable a strong team core that can go after the cup multiple times over the next 5 years.

Except they'd probably move Harley or Robertson before they'd move Johnston.

Robertson would be moved first for sure, he's the most replaceable.

Then maybe Harley since LD is still generally easier to replace than top 6 center.

To me Johnston would be a non-starter for Dallas - because adding Andersson and Coleman and losing Johnston doesn't really make the team better.

They already don't have that elite center, and need Hintz and Johnston to be the anchors down the middle. Moving Johnston just creates an even bigger hole at C.

If you're getting something from Dallas it's probably Robertson...and then IMO you try to flip him somewhere for a center.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Sure but Jim Nill would be immediately be fired if he was offered Coleman Andersson and Pospisin for Johnston and never even shopping him.

He’s not being traded or shopped. A reason why they are looking to move Tobertson potentially.

Like Sutter was immediately fired for trading Phaneuf instead of putting him on the block? Other GM's have said many times they didn't even know a player was available that gets traded. It happens quite often.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Like Sutter was immediately fired for trading Phaneuf instead of putting him on the block? Other GM's have said many times they didn't even know a player was available that gets traded. It happens quite often.

He was fired 9 months later.

Jim, Jimmy as friends call him isn’t trading Johnston.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He was fired 9 months later.

Jim, Jimmy as friends call him isn’t trading Johnston.

Unless he wins the cup next season. Then he would be celebrated as a genius who made the trade that got them past the conference finals and into the parade.

If he doesn't make a trade to address his RD issue and the team repeats their conference final exit or regresses then that would also put him on the hot seat.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Unless he wins the cup next season. Then he would be celebrated as a genius who made the trade that got them past the conference finals and into the parade.

If he doesn't make a trade to address his RD issue and the team repeats their conference final exit or regresses then that would also put him on the hot seat.

I’m sure he can fix the RD issue without gutting his center ice position.

Dallas is taking a step back anyways. Roster is weaker and they hired one of the worst head coaches available.

[Hells Bells]

I'd love to see Robertson on the Flames.

I feel like a Robertson/Coronato combination with Frost or Zary down the middle could really pop off.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Unless he wins the cup next season. Then he would be celebrated as a genius who made the trade that got them past the conference finals and into the parade.

If he doesn't make a trade to address his RD issue and the team repeats their conference final exit or regresses then that would also put him on the hot seat.

Fixing your team by trading a young and borderline elite center for a 2nd pairing dman who was last in the league in +/- would be an interesting move. Especially with that dman not wanting to commit anywhere long term.