[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Isn't Johnson a 22 year old 71 pt centre on a team that's looking to contend right now? Why would they trade him for a solid if unremarkable aging defenceman needing a new contract? Seems like wishful thinking more than anything. What am I missing, why would Dallas even entertain this idea?

Sweet sweet fantasy

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

What’s negative? Wasting picks and prospects on a roster constructed to do #### all or hope they stay patient draft high end talent at the top of the draft so that they have a consistent team that doesn’t require having to looking for the hardest asset to get.

Maybe you are negative because you don’t want them to have success annually?

All of these things you believe we need are not going to arrive at the same time.

We currently have some great young wingers (22-24 years old).
A seemingly fantastic young goalie (24 years old).
Some great up and coming defensemen (19-23 years old).
A couple of nice mid-6 centres (23 and 26 years old).

Why not add a 22-year-old #1 centre to that mix?
Would that not be even better than waiting a year to hopefully add an 18-year-old potential #1 centre, who then needs 2-3 years to acclimate to the league?

Or, let's say we SOMEHOW get McKenna next year and Dupont the year after.

We're then into 2028, 2029 or even 2030 seasons before those two are truly ready to compete as game breakers.
Well, then everyone above is now 3-5 years older as well, and perhaps starting to decline.

I would love to see this team as is with someone like Wyatt Johnston, then see how we grow and add to that.

Never mind the veterans who would still be around, but a team with Johnston, Coronato, Zary, Frost, Pospisil, Suniev, Gridin, Battaglia, Basha, Parekh, Brust., Poirier, Kuznetsov, Solovyov and Wolf looks really nice to me, and looks like something which could compete for quite a few years, if all turn out.

The last four words are pretty key, as who is to say whomever we draft high after tanking 2-3 years even works out?

No one is suggesting we trade a first rounder for a middle 6 centre, or a 28-30-year-old centre. It's a true potential young #1 we are talking about trying to add here.

I don't buy any of the nonsense that our first is in play for Byram, either.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

No one is getting Wyatt Johnston for spare parts.

If I had to guess, the cost of Johnston would start at two 1sts, Coronato and Andersson. Or similar value.

You don't just trade a great center. It is a premium position.

RD is also a premium position. The league has a shortage of RHS defenders (and a surplus of LHS).

The whole point of the conversation is that both Vegas and Dallas (and 5 other teams) have glaring holes at the top of their RD depth chart.

Dallas is particularly pigeon-holed because they have no cap space and cannot add a $9.5M Dobson (also, Montreal won't give Dobson up).

So now it comes down to value. What do you think the value of these assets are?

Johnston = ????

Andersson = With retention, 1st++. With extension 2 1sts+
Coronato = 2 1sts+
1st round pick = Flames pick could be top 5 (worth more than Johnston)
1st round pick = Vegas pick could be bottom 8

So, depending on how this shakes out, you think Johnston is worth between 5 and 10 1st round picks. That would make him the most valuable player in league history.

You are either severely overvaluing Johnston or undervaluing all of the Flames assets. More likely, you are not valuing any of the assets at all and are exaggerating your post for dramatic effect.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by traptor

Yeah if you're looking at acquiring Johnston for UFas, the value would be similar to what we got for Tkachuk. so you have a weegar equivalent in rasmus. Now youneed to add ++++


That's also with the caveat that Tkachuk forced his way out. If he didn't theres no way we make that trade.


I think this team will notice big time the decline of kadri and Backlund over the next couple years. They're so critical for this group but the aging curves will catch up quickly.

Value would be wayyyyyyyy more than we got for Tkachuk.

Johnston is a center who just turned 22, scored 30+ the last two years and is entering a 5 year deal at $8.4M. Doesn't have any trade protection. Dallas would get offers from every team in the league.

Not even a comparable to Tkachuk.

[Rhett44]

I don't even know why we are discussing this. Players like Johnston do not get traded.

[DreDayPucks]

No shot Johnston gets traded

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Ya, I am not sure how I would evaluate a fan vote against actual player value in a trade... but if there are 64 top pair D (32 #1D) positions available in the NHL, fan perception appears to be that Andersson qualifies as a #1D on a lot of people's lists.

The gap between Dobson and Andersson is not as huge as many posters here keep suggesting. Their difference in age is only 3 years, 2 months. Andersson is more proven as he has 4 years of playing top pair minutes and Dobson only has 2 years at it.

With an extension, I think Andersson's value could be very close to Dobson. Especially now that all of the other top pair defenders are off the market.

Without an extension there is more risk to the buying team, but the new CBA does give the buying team unique leverage as they will be in control of any 8 year extension talks.

He’s a bit lower in value than Dobson, so if we agree on that and say the equivalent value might be more like a 1st, 2nd, and roster player or prospect, then that’s what we are looking at for Ras as a pretty great package.

Johnston alone is a significantly more valuable piece than the sum of that speculative package.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I don't even know why we are discussing this. Players like Johnston do not get traded.

WE are discussing this because its a message board, and because its fun to think about and discuss scenarios. If YOU dont want to discuss it, you don't have to, but maybe think about why you are trying to shut the discussion down? The rest of us will discuss it as we please

[Goriders]

I think we have one or two more seasons of dicking around before we start making moves in free agency.

Andersson is our last big trade chip and you have the goalie now. But the Flames aren’t going to get what they really need via the draft. They are going to have to pay for it once the foundation is built.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Value would be wayyyyyyyy more than we got for Tkachuk.

Johnston is a center who just turned 22, scored 30+ the last two years and is entering a 5 year deal at $8.4M. Doesn't have any trade protection. Dallas would get offers from every team in the league.

Not even a comparable to Tkachuk.

What offers do you think there would be that make the Stars better? There are only 30 other teams to look at (aside from the Flames and Stars) so you do not have to make it a generic open ended statement.

I think if you take a second to think about it, a lot of teams will not be interested in trading for Johnston and even more teams will not be interested in trading away their #1RD.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Isn't Johnson a 22 year old 71 pt centre on a team that's looking to contend right now? Why would they trade him for a solid if unremarkable aging defenceman needing a new contract? Seems like wishful thinking more than anything. What am I missing, why would Dallas even entertain this idea?

Because we added Pospisil as well.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by HitterD

WE are discussing this because its a message board, and because its fun to think about and discuss scenarios. If YOU dont want to discuss it, you don't have to, but maybe think about why you are trying to shut the discussion down? The rest of us will discuss it as we please

It would never happen though. But if they did put him on the block, I think Andersson, three 1sts and Coronato is close value.

[SuperMatt18]

Johnston was second on that team in ice time behind only Rantanen in the playoffs and played more than Hintz even. They aren't improving by getting rid of him.

I think you could offer Andersson, Coronato, and 4 1sts and the Stars still might not take it.

Sure players like Eichel, Zegras, etc have been moved. But that's generally because of injury, contract, or an issue with the organization.

None of those things apply to Johnston.

[devo22]

That Johnston thing just needs to die ... it'll never happen. But Dallas has good and realistic pieces.

Mavrik Bourque
Buried on their C depth chart, played RW quite a bit. Right-handed, drafted 6 spots behind Zary and is 4 months younger than him. I think he could pop if given a chance.

Lian Bichsel
Obvious target on the blueline. They have an emerging star in Harley, in addition to Heiskanen and Lindell, so like Bourque, he's buried a bit. Huge kid (6'7 231), but moves well. Only 21.

Emil Hemming, Tristan Bertucci, Christian Kyrou
Some other interesting prospects. Hemming is a skilled RW with some size, Bertucci is another LHD option who was solid in the OHL. Kyrou is an RHD who has played well in the AHL, but has been battling some injuries.

Wonder if something like Andersson+Coleman for Bichsel+Bourque+1st would work. Retain on both players and get something extra. Would give us two 1st round talents in key areas who could easily step up if given the opportunity.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Wolven

What offers do you think there would be that make the Stars better? There are only 30 other teams to look at (aside from the Flames and Stars) so you do not have to make it a generic open ended statement.

I think if you take a second to think about it, a lot of teams will not be interested in trading for Johnston and even more teams will not be interested in trading away their #1RD.

Pretty much any Johnston trade leaves them worse off. Montreal, Carolina, Columbus, and Buffalo would all be teams that are interested in Johnston and could smoke a package based around Andersson. There’s probably more as well.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Johnston was second on that team in ice time behind only Rantanen in the playoffs and played more than Hintz even. They aren't improving by getting rid of him.

I think you could offer Andersson, Coronato, and 4 1sts and the Stars still might not take it.

Sure players like Eichel, Zegras, etc have been moved. But that's generally because of injury, contract, or an issue with the organization.

None of those things apply to Johnston.

Even if you think Zary + Andersson makes them better than with Johnston alone (debatable), you could bundle any assets from 30 other teams and come up with an equivalent or better package.

Would Boston part with McAvoy? Rangers Fox?

The list goes on. It’s just an absurd notion that Dallas parts with him because they’re so desperate for a RD and, oh shucks, Calgary has one available so we better capitalize on our window because we have a young 22 year old stud center burning a hole in our pocket.

I get fun speculation, off-season and all that but this is delusional.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Coleman/Andersson/Pospisil is comparable to Primeau/Sturm/Stuart

[traptor]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Value would be wayyyyyyyy more than we got for Tkachuk.

Johnston is a center who just turned 22, scored 30+ the last two years and is entering a 5 year deal at $8.4M. Doesn't have any trade protection. Dallas would get offers from every team in the league.

Not even a comparable to Tkachuk.

Yeah i agree. Just tring to play ball on the acquiring for Johnston for a package with Rasmus in it. Highlight that's Rasmus isn't close to enough.


I think its comparable in this discussion that a superstar RFA being traded for a package highlighted by UFas.


But you're right I think Johston would command even more, and that's if he was even available which theres no reason to think he would be.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It is also tradition to overvalue everybody else's players and prospects while claiming everything in the Flames organization has little value.

While what you say is not false per se, if Dallas wanted to move Johnson, they would want a guy like McAvoy back. A top younger dman with lots of control.

[Vinny01]

I can definitely see Dallas getting this done without a 1st if they give up some young players and prospects and no chance Johnston is one of them.