[Trade] Stars trade Mathew Dumba + 2028 2nd to Pens for D Vladislav Kolyachonok

[Poe969]

At this point, I would have e rather gotten assets to take Dumba than give up assets for Byram.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

TBH I'm a bit surprised this cost Dallas a 2nd, thought somebody might add him as depth for nothing (looking at a team like Chicago who have no d-men).

Does make me think Dallas had some urgency to get this done right now.

Pittsburgh could retain and potentially flip him for another 2nd. Maybe not such a Dumb-a move by Pittsburgh after all.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

inability? My guy, the cap went up, so cap space was at it's lowest value in years.

Yes inability or refusal - Look what Dubas has done in that timeframe

Hayes + 2nd for nothing
Dumba + 2nd for waiver claim
Glass + 3rd + 3rd for a 6th
Clifton + 2nd for Timmins (who he acquired for a 5th)

So he has essentially turned a 5th, and 6th round pick into three 2nds, and 2 thirds by effectively using his cap space.

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

Do we really think a late 2nd rounder is worth enough as an asset that we pick up Dumba and jam the blueline with a player we don't want/need who will only take playing time away from a rotating youngster?

If you get a first then I'm for it. But a late second? At some point the whole 'weaponizing cap space' and its return has to be weighed against what you lose by cluttering your roster.

Yes I do think it would be worth it. 2nd round picks are valuable assets in the NHL, and allow you to do many different things. Instead we "jammed" up the younger kids by signing a 34 year old Joel Hanley to a two year deal.

[1qqaaz]

Too bad the Flames didn't beat Pittsburgh's "offer" to take on this contract.

Maybe they'll just take on Seguin (magically with no trade restrictions) instead.

[topfiverecords]

You guys sure love acquiring draft picks. Picks that are then used to turn into prospects who can't get a roster spot because it's taken by a cap dump used to acquire a draft pick to turn into a prospect who can't get a roster spot because it's taken by a cap dump used to acquire a draft pick ...

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Yes inability or refusal - Look what Dubas has done in that timeframe

Hayes + 2nd for nothing
Dumba + 2nd for waiver claim
Glass + 3rd + 3rd for a 6th
Clifton + 2nd for Timmins (who he acquired for a 5th)

So he has essentially turned a 5th, and 6th round pick into three 2nds, and 2 thirds by effectively using his cap space.




Yes I do think it would be worth it. 2nd round picks are valuable assets in the NHL, and allow you to do many different things. Instead we "jammed" up the younger kids by signing a 34 year old Joel Hanley to a two year deal.

I agree with your general post, but Hanley isn't a bad signing as the Flames clearly didn't have enough depth at D last year, nor will he just take the youngster's jobs. He'll push them, and he'll sit as the 7th if they pass him.

He also earned that deal with how he played this past year -- and if his play falls off or a couple of younger players pass him, he can get sent down with a fairly low hit on the Flames' overall cap.

I'd get the annoyance if the Flames resigned Rooney, but the Hanley signing makes sense.

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Yes inability or refusal - Look what Dubas has done in that timeframe

Hayes + 2nd for nothing
Dumba + 2nd for waiver claim
Glass + 3rd + 3rd for a 6th
Clifton + 2nd for Timmins (who he acquired for a 5th)

So he has essentially turned a 5th, and 6th round pick into three 2nds, and 2 thirds by effectively using his cap space.




Yes I do think it would be worth it. 2nd round picks are valuable assets in the NHL, and allow you to do many different things. Instead we "jammed" up the younger kids by signing a 34 year old Joel Hanley to a two year deal.

I would agree. Dubas' strong work weaponizing the cap is quite clear. Advantage of a rebuild rather than retool where he does not care who is in the lineup because they do not wish to be competitive.

Conroy's dream of staying competitive in his retool prevents him from doing similar moves.

Would have rather had Dumba+2nd for one yr than Hanley for 2 years.

Come on Craig, weaponize your cap space! Not much harm in a Dumbaesque player eating popcorn as your 7 or 8 D man if he is that bad; if you can add an asset in return.

[Rutuu]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Would've been a nice move for Calgary to make

Calgary has a budget.

[SuperMatt18]

I do think Dallas could be motivated to go after Andersson here...and I don't see a reason why you're spending a 2nd round pick today to get rid of that contract unless there is something you are trying to do immediately.

Last year they tried to fix their RH d-core by budget shopping and got Dumba and Lybushkin and it didn't work for them.

They added Rantanen and likely want to push hard to win this year before they have to make a decision on Robertson next offseason.

Picks:
2027 1st
2026 2nd
2027 2nd

Propsects;
Hemming - 2024 1st
Bertucci - 2022 2nd
Kyrou - 2022 2nd

Roster Pieces:
Bourque - 23 yr old center
Bichsel - 21 yr old d-man

Based on the Flames wanting big LH dmen like Hague and Miller, I'd be surprised if Bichsel wasn't on their radar as the primary return.

Andersson (50%) retention for 2027 1st + Bichsel feels like it would have been great..but my guess is Dallas might feel like that's too much.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Yes I do think it would be worth it. 2nd round picks are valuable assets in the NHL, and allow you to do many different things. Instead we "jammed" up the younger kids by signing a 34 year old Joel Hanley to a two year deal.

Curious then what is the limit? Would it have been worth it for a third?

And the Hanley thing is a done deal… you’d be making this dumba trade after the fact. Getting Hanley isn’t a rationalization that you should just be open to anything and everything just for a pick.

Plus, the reason for doing Hanley is entirely different than Dumba. The team thinks Hanley is a good defender with knowledge of the structure at a controlled cost. Hanley is a better defender whereas you’re taking Dumba simply to count the days until his contract expiration.

Poor comparison imo.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

You guys sure love acquiring draft picks. Picks that are then used to turn into prospects who can't get a roster spot because it's taken by a cap dump used to acquire a draft pick to turn into a prospect who can't get a roster spot because it's taken by a cap dump used to acquire a draft pick ...

Again having more draft capital provides more flexibility. Picks can be used to trade up in the draft to land more quality, or they can be used to supplement the roster in the future when the young kids have begun establishing themselves. One year cap dumps are completely inconsequential especially when we routinely bring in depth defensemen anyways (Hanley, Barrie, Bean, etc..)

[Toonage]

Conroy talked a lot about being willing to take on other's bad deals, use his cap, but I wondered if maybe the Flames ask was too high as they never did. Still could happen though.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Would've been a nice move for Calgary to make

What is the Calgary equivalent, Solovyov for Dumba and a 2nd? I am guessing it is one of Kuzentzov, Poirier or Solovyov for Dumba and a 2nd.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by blankall

Pittsburgh could retain and potentially flip him for another 2nd. Maybe not such a Dumb-a move by Pittsburgh after all.

Dumba is not good at hockey, and has been so for a while. This seems wildly optimistic.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I do think Dallas could be motivated to go after Andersson here...and I don't see a reason why you're spending a 2nd round pick today to get rid of that contract unless there is something you are trying to do immediately.

They were over the cap so someone had to go. They can't bring in anyone else without moving out more salary.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

You guys sure love acquiring draft picks. Picks that are then used to turn into prospects who can't get a roster spot because it's taken by a cap dump used to acquire a draft pick to turn into a prospect who can't get a roster spot because it's taken by a cap dump used to acquire a draft pick ...

Right? It sure would be great if we could use a 2nd round pick to acquire a 6'4", 215 pound LD with some skill. It would also be awesome if he could be a +21 in the AHL so that the +/- fanbois could get behind him as a prospect.

[Calgary Highlander]

Feels like we could have tossed in Jurmo and gotten the same deal.

That's too bad.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Calgary Highlander

Feels like we could have tossed in Jurmo and gotten the same deal.

That's too bad.

I highly doubt that a 23 year old dman with no NHL games is worth the same as a 24 year old dman with 74 NHL games.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Miromanov could have been thrown in. A throw in

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Right? It sure would be great if we could use a 2nd round pick to acquire a 6'4", 215 pound LD with some skill. It would also be awesome if he could be a +21 in the AHL so that the +/- fanbois could get behind him as a prospect.

Kuznetsov does look like a great fit on paper. I thought he was okay in his only NHL game as well. Hopefully he takes a spot, and slowly evolves into a top 4 stay at home D over the next 3 years.