[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[Bingo]

Teams need to set a price on every asset ... I'd say "period", but at least on any asset that you think there a good chance you're moving.

And they'll get it wrong.

They'll move players only to find out they could have gotten more.
They'll sit on players because they don't like the offers and then have the market slide even more.

Hopefully they have their fingers on the pulse and get it right more wrong (or a lighter shade of grey when they're wrong).

The good teams get it right on when based on the offers. The good team make the right bets on on internal players (long term deals or bridges).

Hoping Calgary is on the right side of things, but as said above we don't know as we don't know what was offered for Andersson last summer, at the deadline nor at the draft.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

0.0% chance Conroy holds onto Andersson past the trade deadline regardless of the teams place in the standings. He had a front row seat for what happened with Gaudreau and that mistake simply won't be made again under Conny. I know all of you are bored in the summer months but holding onto Andersson until the trade deadline isn't the worst thing that can happen.

I agree with one caveat. If the Flames are doing very well and in a playoff spot, I don't think they hold him past the deadline without a contract.

I do see a world in which things go swimmingly and the re-engage on talks of re-signing.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Except the same thing will likely happen this coming season. The Flames will be in the mix, and in order to trade Andersson, you'd have to "pull the rug out".

I think it would be more understandable and acceptable to the players this season because of the fact he is on an expiring contract. Besides, last season Montreal was getting our pick anyway so there wasn't even the benefit of dropping down to get a better pick at that point.

Ideally, Andersson will be traded at a sweet point this season where he is playing well but before the playoff race is getting hot. It was also rumoured that Andersson was playing with an injury at the time, which probably wasn't a secret to teams making offers.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

0.0% chance Conroy holds onto Andersson past the trade deadline regardless of the teams place in the standings. He had a front row seat for what happened with Gaudreau and that mistake simply won't be made again under Conny. I know all of you are bored in the summer months but holding onto Andersson until the trade deadline isn't the worst thing that can happen.

You can't honestly think the Flames are going to delete from the roster (especially someone like Andersson) if they are in the typical not quite out of it 7-10 in the west range at the deadline? Ownership would never ok that if it potentially kills a playoff berth. They'd rather lose him for next to nothing than miss the playoffs. We just went through all the "this team deserves a shot" talk at the last deadline, and have heard it before many times.

If he's not moved between now and game #40 or so, I don't see it happening at all. The only thing that changes that is whether or not the team is actually in the post season race. There's not much reason to believe they won't be though.

[Bingo Jr.]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

You can't honestly think the Flames are going to delete from the roster (especially someone like Andersson) if they are in the typical not quite out of it 7-10 in the west range at the deadline? Ownership would never ok that if it potentially kills a playoff berth. They'd rather lose him for next to nothing than miss the playoffs. We just went through all the "this team deserves a shot" talk at the last deadline, and have heard it before many times.

If he's not moved between now and game #40 or so, I don't see it happening at all. The only thing that changes that is whether or not the team is actually in the post season race. There's not much reason to believe they won't be though.

I think you're flat out wrong.

Conroy has been blatant that he's not going to let high profile UFA's walk for nothing in interviews.

And last year? The only UFA's we had were Miromanov, Barrie, Rooney, etc.

They will absolutely move Rasmus if there's no deal in place by game 40, regardless of our spot in the standings.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

You can't honestly think the Flames are going to delete from the roster (especially someone like Andersson) if they are in the typical not quite out of it 7-10 in the west range at the deadline? Ownership would never ok that if it potentially kills a playoff berth. They'd rather lose him for next to nothing than miss the playoffs. We just went through all the "this team deserves a shot" talk at the last deadline, and have heard it before many times.

If he's not moved between now and game #40 or so, I don't see it happening at all. The only thing that changes that is whether or not the team is actually in the post season race. There's not much reason to believe they won't be though.

I 100% agree with EE on this take. No chance he walks for nothing

[Enoch Root]

agreed, no chance

[Toonage]

The argument has probably already been made and rebuked but Gaudreau left for nothing. There's always a chance.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Toonage

The argument has probably already been made and rebuked but Gaudreau left for nothing. There's always a chance.

This is why it will be incredibly unlikely that he'll walk for nothing. Conroy has been explicit that he can't let that happen again.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

You can't honestly think the Flames are going to delete from the roster (especially someone like Andersson) if they are in the typical not quite out of it 7-10 in the west range at the deadline? Ownership would never ok that if it potentially kills a playoff berth. They'd rather lose him for next to nothing than miss the playoffs. We just went through all the "this team deserves a shot" talk at the last deadline, and have heard it before many times.

If he's not moved between now and game #40 or so, I don't see it happening at all. The only thing that changes that is whether or not the team is actually in the post season race. There's not much reason to believe they won't be though.

What a bad take this is, team had no significant UFAs last deadline because they already moved them. They had top of the league cap space an made no moves to aquire anyone.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

This is why it will be incredibly unlikely that he'll walk for nothing. Conroy has been explicit that he can't let that happen again.

I wouldn't be so confident that there is a 0% chance of this happening though.

We're watching the Hanifin situation play out again after all. If the Flames are in a playoff spot, we could see it.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Toonage

The argument has probably already been made and rebuked but Gaudreau left for nothing. There's always a chance.

Yeah that guy is in Toronto...that was also a first place division winning team not 7-9th

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Toonage

I wouldn't be so confident that there is a 0% chance of this happening though.

We're watching the Hanifin situation play out again after all. If the Flames are in a playoff spot, we could see it.

You mean when they traded Hanifin for an unprotected first rather than push for a spot?

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You mean when they traded Hanifin for an unprotected first rather than push for a spot?

Watching a guy get far less than what he should be cause they didn't move at the right time.

My point there was that on the surface, Conroy maybe didn't learn the lesson.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I believe this is a seller's market still, so I am not overly worried about the return for Andersson being underwhelming. I expected to be whelmed-overwhelmed, rather than underwhelmed.


Underwhelmed for me: 2nd + B prospect
Whelmed: 1st + 2nd + B propsect
Overwhelmed: Anything above and beyond the package for whelmed.


Obviously it is the value of each. The 1st in my mind is to be a later first ~25th. So if it turns out to be a 12th pick, then I am instantly overwhelmed as the 12th pick > late first, 2nd + B prospect. Late first + two 2nd round picks is a bit better than having the B prospect (A B prospect in Calgary's system is going to flounder in my opinion as Calgary already has a lot of depth).


GMs are complaining that there aren't enough good players on the market this year. I expect the rental prices to increase, as I expect Andersson to widen the list of teams he is willing to extend with since he can't risk losing 2 years on his next contract.

[FlamesAddiction]

I just think management has to consider a more abstract big picture. How you manage a team is more than just players in and players out.

The number one goal for any organization is always to win. What are they saying to young players on expiring deals like Zary and Coronato if you handicap the team at the trade deadline to trade a player still under contract for another full season? Hey Zary, thanks for busting your butt and getting two injuries that were almost devastating, and thanks Coronato for having your first break through season, but competing for a playoff spot isn't good enough. It was all for nothing because our plan all along was to be a TDL seller. Also, please sign long term extensions next summer, work just as hard, so we can make sure to maximize your trade value one day too.

Even if you don't get more for Andersson now, you have to think about how these decisions affect the outlook other players have for the organization. Personally, I think this is exactly why Buffalo is in the situation they are in now and why young players like Byram want out. It's the culture they have. They don't see the organization as a place where you go to have a chance to win.

I honestly wonder if Bahl and Coronato would have signed long term deals if Conroy didn't opt to keep Andersson last TDL and give them a vote of confidence. How you treat these guys matter. Don't get me wrong, they also know it is a business and that letting players walk for nothing isn't ideal, but that's different than last season when Andersson still had another year left.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Watching a guy get far less than what he should be cause they didn't move at the right time.

My point there was that on the surface, Conroy maybe didn't learn the lesson.

You said he could lose him for nothing to compete for a playoff spot and then referenced Hanifin
Its not happening no matter how many chicken littles say it might...the Flames are shopping him hard.

Return is debatable...when players are only willing to sign in a couple places it hurts the return. Not much the GM can do.

Conroy already had a great deal by all accounts but the player wouldn't extend, how she goes.


When Conroy loses even one high profile UFA for nothing we can talk, he hasn't

[devo22]

Hindsight is a hell of a thing. There's a real chance that, had we moved Andersson at the deadline, people would have been a bit underwhelmed with the return, then seen the K'Andre Miller trade and lamented that Conroy shot his shot too early. Now, as it happened, people lament that he hasn't shot his shot yet.

It's so easy to sit here in July and say we should have done X, Y or Z. That we haven't moved him yet probably just means that Conroy has a price in mind and that simply hasn't been met yet. And that's fine, that might well change at some point this summer.

[dino7c]

The price was met, the player wouldn't extend there
players have way too much power these days IMO, its not a Conroy thing

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Originally Posted by dino7c

The price was met, the player wouldn't extend there

The only rumor I believe is the one where Vegas was going to send Hague here but he wouldn't extend here... if that's what you mean.

I don't think any of the other rumored discussions got far enough to discuss extensions on either side.