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Old 07-07-2025, 01:14 PM   #4181
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Yeah probably depends on what the young roster player was.

At first glance 30 or 33 seems pretty dissapointing but guess if the ask was like Smith or Eklund then it would make sense why the Sharks would say no.

If it was like 30 + Ferraro then Sharks should have taken that and ran - even without the extension
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I get it from San Jose’s perspective
They aren’t at the state to acquire one year solutions so they would have been making a bet they could get him to sign with no assurance
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Old 07-07-2025, 01:20 PM   #4183
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I get it from San Jose’s perspective
They aren’t at the state to acquire one year solutions so they would have been making a bet they could get him to sign with no assurance
Rasmus at the deadline would bring back at worst equivalent value back.. the only risk they would be taking is a possible injury.

Quite frankly I don't believe this one for that reason alone.
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Old 07-07-2025, 01:23 PM   #4184
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At this point I think it's a pretty safe bet that Rasmus is starting the season with the Flames and for sale at the trade deadline. Teams have their rosters mostly locked down or have already pursued alternative options after the flurry of activity around draft day and free agency.
lolwat.

Florida kept Ekblad.
CBJ is running back their same D group.

The rest of the teams that were interested in Andersson are likely still interested in Andersson.
  • The Sharks would jump at Andersson in the #1RD spot instead of Klingberg
  • Stars and Vegas both still need a #1RD
  • Leafs haven't addressed their need
  • Hurricanes upgraded on the left side but are still weak on the right after losing Burns from Slavin's pairing
  • Red Wings still need to upgrade their top 4, specifically getting a good RD to play with Edvinsson (unless they think Bernard-Docker is that guy)
  • Mammoth settled for Schmidt but would probably still jump at the chance to upgrade Sergachev's partner
  • Kings settled for Ceci but would also probably go for an upgrade if possible

So really, I do not think the interest has changed at all. If anything, the report that NHL teams are taking a summer break after the free agent frenzy is the more likely story and they will get back to negotiations in a week or two.
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Old 07-07-2025, 01:24 PM   #4185
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Rasmus at the deadline would bring back at worst equivalent value back.. the only risk they would be taking is a possible injury.

Quite frankly I don't believe this one for that reason alone.
Agreed the return should be at least as good
But not from a team like San Jose
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Old 07-07-2025, 01:40 PM   #4186
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That seems underwhelming and I cant see the young roster player being a winger.
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Agreed the return should be at least as good
But not from a team like San Jose
I disagree.

San Jose has the prospect pool and depth to be able to take some risks.

I'd make that trade.

If he ends up loving San Jose then you re-sign him.

If not you flip him at the deadline.

But depends on what the ask was really and which young player they were asking for because sure you're not moving Smith or Eklund for Andersson...extension or not.
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Yeah probably depends on what the young roster player was.

At first glance 30 or 33 seems pretty disappointing but guess if the ask was like Smith or Eklund then it would make sense why the Sharks would say no.

If it was like 30 + Ferraro then Sharks should have taken that and ran - even without the extension
I hope no one is expecting a roster player like Smith or even Eklund in a trade for Andersson.
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Old 07-07-2025, 01:49 PM   #4189
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lolwat.

Florida kept Ekblad.
CBJ is running back their same D group.

The rest of the teams that were interested in Andersson are likely still interested in Andersson.
  • The Sharks would jump at Andersson in the #1RD spot instead of Klingberg
  • Stars and Vegas both still need a #1RD
  • Leafs haven't addressed their need
  • Hurricanes upgraded on the left side but are still weak on the right after losing Burns from Slavin's pairing
  • Red Wings still need to upgrade their top 4, specifically getting a good RD to play with Edvinsson (unless they think Bernard-Docker is that guy)
  • Mammoth settled for Schmidt but would probably still jump at the chance to upgrade Sergachev's partner
  • Kings settled for Ceci but would also probably go for an upgrade if possible

So really, I do not think the interest has changed at all. If anything, the report that NHL teams are taking a summer break after the free agent frenzy is the more likely story and they will get back to negotiations in a week or two.
How many of them will be interested in Andersson as a rental? Maybe DAL, CAR, VGK, and TOR.
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I hope no one is expecting a roster player like Smith or even Eklund in a trade for Andersson.
Would make sense why it would be a hard no from San Jose though...because yeah that would be a crazy ask but I don't see many other young roster players.

Dellandrea - 24, San Jose wouldn't have said no
Smith - 20
Eklund - 22
Ostapchuk - 22

Ferraro - 26
Liljegren - 26
Thrun - 24

I guess it could have been Ferraro, and San Jose's thought would be you're adding a better d-man but giving up a 1st and not really getting substantially better.

Which would kind of be the issue of Conroy asking for a LD in return...teams want to make their d-core as a whole better if they are trying to take a step...not shuffle out a LD for a RD. Focus should just be picks and prospects.

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Old 07-07-2025, 01:52 PM   #4191
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I think we should pump the brakes a little on Parekh. I have watched many games live with him playing and he is a special talent.

But in no means is any rookie a shoe in to make the NHL, and be a replacement immediately for Andersson. There is another level with playing at the NHL compared to other leagues.

So while we should be extremely optimistic, I would just caution not to assume he won't have any rookie struggles like a lot of players have. And to think he is immediately going to look better than Andersson who sometimes plays 25 minutes a night.

I am sure they will do it right and give sheltered minutes to start and go from there.
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I also wonder if teams will want certainty of not having a bad start to the season before trading first round picks.

For example, Dallas has traded their 2026 1st and their 2028 1st to Carolina in the Rantanen trade. The 2026 pick is top 10 protected - if it ends up being a top 10 pick in 2026 then Carolina gets Dallas’s 2027 1st (unprotected) instead. If Dallas were to trade their 2027 1st to Calgary in a trade for Andersson, it would remove the protection on their 2026 1st round pick that was sent to Carolina.

If Dallas starts strong in their first 20 games of the season (say something like 12-4-4), they are likely less hesitant to remove their pick protection for their 2026 pick. The acquisition cost is not likely to go up by much during those 20 games.

Not necessarily. Dallas would just make the 2027 conditional. Something like:


To Dallas: X
To Calgary: 2027 Conditional (Pick is top 10 protected for 2027. If Requirements are met to send 2027 pick to Carolina, then Calgary gets Dallas' 2029 first round pick unconditionally).


This was a similar trade to what Vegas did for Hanifin - weren't sure they were going to do a trade that included 2025, so they left it conditional/unconditional for 2026.
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Not necessarily. Dallas would just make the 2027 conditional. Something like:


To Dallas: X
To Calgary: 2027 Conditional (Pick is top 10 protected for 2027. If Requirements are met to send 2027 pick to Carolina, then Calgary gets Dallas' 2029 first round pick unconditionally).


This was a similar trade to what Vegas did for Hanifin - weren't sure they were going to do a trade that included 2025, so they left it conditional/unconditional for 2026.
Tough to have that pick potentially be 2029 though. That’s 4 drafts from now. Conroy could be gone before then if it’s not turning around
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How many of them will be interested in Andersson as a rental? Maybe DAL, CAR, VGK, and TOR.
I think more teams come out for the playoff rental. He has a cheap contract which will be de minimus by the time trade deadline rolls around.

Why not Florida to juice a run at a third? Why not Tampa? Why not Colorado or Winnipeg?
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I think we should pump the brakes a little on Parekh. I have watched many games live with him playing and he is a special talent.
You do that

I'm letting the Bahl roll on this bandwagon
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I think we should pump the brakes a little on Parekh. I have watched many games live with him playing and he is a special talent.

But in no means is any rookie a shoe in to make the NHL, and be a replacement immediately for Andersson. There is another level with playing at the NHL compared to other leagues.

So while we should be extremely optimistic, I would just caution not to assume he won't have any rookie struggles like a lot of players have. And to think he is immediately going to look better than Andersson who sometimes plays 25 minutes a night.

I am sure they will do it right and give sheltered minutes to start and go from there.
There is no brakes with Parekh. Just like the way he plays, it's pedal to the metal!
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Old 07-07-2025, 02:17 PM   #4197
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Tough to have that pick potentially be 2029 though. That’s 4 drafts from now. Conroy could be gone before then if it’s not turning around

I am definitely not advocating for it, but simply illustrating what the parameters of the 2027 pick would probably look like if it was traded to Calgary.


I would just push for the 2027 unprotected as it is unlikely to be top 10 anyway, with the condition on it being if it ends up as a 2029 pick, there will be a sweetener attached (2nd? 2nd+4th? - something like that). 4 drafts is a long time indeed.
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Old 07-07-2025, 02:28 PM   #4198
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I am definitely not advocating for it, but simply illustrating what the parameters of the 2027 pick would probably look like if it was traded to Calgary.


I would just push for the 2027 unprotected as it is unlikely to be top 10 anyway, with the condition on it being if it ends up as a 2029 pick, there will be a sweetener attached (2nd? 2nd+4th? - something like that). 4 drafts is a long time indeed.
The Stars are going to have to make tough calls next summer. I would go for their 1st in 2027 unprotected. It won't be top 10, but it could be 11-20. If they miss the playoffs, it's in the lottery. Realistically they are probably a wild card team. If the Flames miss the playoffs and they are a wild card team. You end up with 2 1sts in the 8-16 ranges and 1 around 20, unless they go on a run in the playoffs.

Getting a first are the deadline is almost a sure 24-32 OV pick for a rental player.

Stars also probably value the small cap hit this year as anyone. Vegas is the other team. Other teams don't need the 50% RS so they won't need to pay more.
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Old 07-07-2025, 02:32 PM   #4199
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How many of them will be interested in Andersson as a rental? Maybe DAL, CAR, VGK, and TOR.
Ya, it depends on who is in the mix. Maybe the Mammoth finally put it together and are looking at a playoff run. They could be super motivated to solidify their D and hope that they can win Andersson over for the extension and not just the playoff run.

I still think Andersson is bluffing about testing free agency (if there was ever any truth to that rumour). Getting an 8 year extension instead of a 6 year UFA contract is a big difference. Whichever team that gets his rights will have a lot of leverage because of that.

That should be one of Conroy's selling points, even if we are just talking rental prices. The Leafs got Roy out of Vegas to just do some paperwork before July 1.
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Tank or not, if the Flames end up 2 1sts in 2026 and 2 in 2027. They are adding good prospects each of those years. They have had 3 drafts under CC. 2023 was probably the worst of the 3, but 2024 seems to be a great draft for the Flames. We have also had 5 1sts and 4 2nds in those 3 drafts. Very soon here, there are going to be a ton of young kids pushing out vets. I bet this team will be very young in the next couple of years and we get 1 high end pick due to being too young. I really hope CC gets at least 1 first for Ras and some more depth. It will force his hand to move out vets as prospects develop and are NHL ready.
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