[Rumour] Dreger: Bowen Byram trade talks heating up. Calgary one of many teams interested

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

That’s one trade I personally would have pulled the trigger on.

Yeah Cozens would have been a good move imo. I would t trade Zary for Byram though…

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Andersson wasn't exactly a defensive juggernaut last year.

I would assume the internal view was he was their best against top opposition given the fact he played the most minutes overall and against elite opposition.

That's a hole.

A big one.

[Bingo Jr.]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Yeah Cozens would have been a good move imo. I would t trade Zary for Byram though…

Cozens still worries me a bit. Had one outstanding year and hasn't quite been able to get back to that level. Albeit he's still young and will probably figure it out.

I also think I'm higher on Zary than most on this page. I'm glad CC shares my sentiments, he should absolutely be in that untouchables group with Parekh, Wolf, Coronato, etc.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Bingo Jr.

Cozens still worries me a bit. Had one outstanding year and hasn't quite been able to get back to that level. Albeit he's still young and will probably figure it out.

I also think I'm higher on Zary than most on this page. I'm glad CC shares my sentiments, he should absolutely be in that untouchables group with Parekh, Wolf, Coronato, etc.

He also looked really good right after the trade and then kind of faded.

[Remember1989]

Originally Posted by Bingo Jr.

Cozens still worries me a bit. Had one outstanding year and hasn't quite been able to get back to that level. Albeit he's still young and will probably figure it out.

I also think I'm higher on Zary than most on this page. I'm glad CC shares my sentiments, he should absolutely be in that untouchables group with Parekh, Wolf, Coronato, etc.

Will be interesting to track these players from a Flames perspective in a world where we could have swapped Zary for Cozens. Didn’t realize Zary is only 7 months younger than Cozens. Let’s hope you are right about his potential. Time will tell and let’s also hope for an end of the injuries for Zary.

[GullFoss]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I think people thinking moving Ras tanks us are going to be surprised at how much the team gets a boost from Parekh. I don't see this as a lottery team unless something happens with Wolf.

Losing Ras and Vladar increases the odds of a death spiral. Doesn't make sense to speak in absolutes about the future.

[Paulie Walnuts]

How was a trade close when we don’t have the pieces they want.

[Chingas]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

How was a trade close when we don’t have the pieces they want.

Where did anyone say it was close? I also disagree. We have plenty of pieces they want, doesn't mean that Byram is worth the pieces they want.

[devo22]

I think Cozens is what he is ... a streaky and inconsistent 20/50 guy. Because he was a high draft pick and had this one 31 goal season, people will still hold out hope that he can eventually be more, but I'm not holding my breath. I'd rather have Zary, to be honest ... even if he stays a winger.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I would assume the internal view was he was their best against top opposition given the fact he played the most minutes overall and against elite opposition.

That's a hole.

A big one.

He played the majority of his time with Bahl, 1140 mins to a 48.7 xGF%

So Bahl also played essentially the same minutes against elite opposition.

Andersson didn’t have a positive xGF% on any defensive pairing all season. When paired with Hanley they had 47.4 xGF% but Weegar and Hanley had an xGF% of 57%.

Very small sample size, but Bahl and Weegar had a ridiculous 64.9 xGF%.

In short
Bahl with Andersson = negative xGF%
Bahl without Andersson = positive xGF%
Andersson without Bahl = negative xGF%

I genuinely think a top pair of Bahl - Weegar will be a decent improvement over Bahl - Andersson last year. What happens in the 2nd and 3rd pair is anyone's guess. But last year rookie Lane Hutson played phenomenally with Matheson or Struble, hardly well-known defensive stalwarts, and I expect Parekh to be able to hold his own in a similar fashion.

[Roof-Daddy]

It's too bad they can't find a third team.

Andersson to team 3
Byram to Flames
Something from team 3 to Buffalo

I don't want to give up futures we already have for Byram and I don't want to go into the season with the Andersson situation unresolved.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Chingas

Where did anyone say it was close? I also disagree. We have plenty of pieces they want, doesn't mean that Byram is worth the pieces they want.

2nd post in this thread insinuates it

https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpo...67&postcount=2

But no industry insider has said anything

[dustygoon]

Originally Posted by devo22

I think Cozens is what he is ... a streaky and inconsistent 20/50 guy. Because he was a high draft pick and had this one 31 goal season, people will still hold out hope that he can eventually be more, but I'm not holding my breath. I'd rather have Zary, to be honest ... even if he stays a winger.

I just went back and looked at Sam Reinhart over the years until he got unlocked by leaving Buffalo.

I don't think we know what Cozens is yet. Less than a year older than Zary. Size. Physical. Captain of WJC. Right shot. More accomplished before making the NHL.

[rohara66]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Craig could have had Cozens for Zary.
Chose not to.
No way he gives up Zary for Byram now.

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Yes. Conroy is very high on Zary. Feels there is a lot of potential and levels that he can get to.....which has been a contributing factor to why a contract has not yet been signed.

Originally Posted by flamesgod

Smart, I think it would be a huge mistake to trade him. I see the same upside.

This x100.


I think Zary could be the best player out of all our current forward prospects/young guns.


Glad Conroy thinks the same.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Groot

He played the majority of his time with Bahl, 1140 mins to a 48.7 xGF%

So Bahl also played essentially the same minutes against elite opposition.

Andersson didn’t have a positive xGF% on any defensive pairing all season. When paired with Hanley they had 47.4 xGF% but Weegar and Hanley had an xGF% of 57%.

Very small sample size, but Bahl and Weegar had a ridiculous 64.9 xGF%.

In short
Bahl with Andersson = negative xGF%
Bahl without Andersson = positive xGF%
Andersson without Bahl = negative xGF%

I genuinely think a top pair of Bahl - Weegar will be a decent improvement over Bahl - Andersson last year. What happens in the 2nd and 3rd pair is anyone's guess. But last year rookie Lane Hutson played phenomenally with Matheson or Struble, hardly well-known defensive stalwarts, and I expect Parekh to be able to hold his own in a similar fashion.

This is what drives me a little bit crazy with the Ras talk. Not pointed at you specifically, Groot.

ALL the teams CC is talking to have access to this same information that shows his performance over the past 1.5 seasons (coincidentally when he lost Hanifin as a partner) has suffered.

We're calling him a top pairing D when it's favorable to command that in a trade (see Wyatt Johnston talk) but also claim that Pachal can cover his minutes defensively and do a better job.

Which is it?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Groot

He played the majority of his time with Bahl, 1140 mins to a 48.7 xGF%

So Bahl also played essentially the same minutes against elite opposition.

Andersson didn’t have a positive xGF% on any defensive pairing all season. When paired with Hanley they had 47.4 xGF% but Weegar and Hanley had an xGF% of 57%.

Very small sample size, but Bahl and Weegar had a ridiculous 64.9 xGF%.

In short
Bahl with Andersson = negative xGF%
Bahl without Andersson = positive xGF%
Andersson without Bahl = negative xGF%

I genuinely think a top pair of Bahl - Weegar will be a decent improvement over Bahl - Andersson last year. What happens in the 2nd and 3rd pair is anyone's guess. But last year rookie Lane Hutson played phenomenally with Matheson or Struble, hardly well-known defensive stalwarts, and I expect Parekh to be able to hold his own in a similar fashion.

Not even arguing that ...

And if Andersson was back and they tried the above Andersson might do better with second pairing assignments.

But if he's not back and it's everyone sliding up a slot that's tough.

Last year Andersson and Bahl had 33% of their time against Elite ... a slide to Weegar at 28% and then a slide to Hanley at 25%.

Take one of those four out and the team takes a hit on the blueline (unless they fill it), and asking a 19 year old offense first dman to take on tough assignments is insane.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not even arguing that ...

And if Andersson was back and they tried the above Andersson might do better with second pairing assignments.

But if he's not back and it's everyone sliding up a slot that's tough.

Last year Andersson and Bahl had 33% of their time against Elite ... a slide to Weegar at 28% and then a slide to Hanley at 25%.

Take one of those four out and the team takes a hit on the blueline (unless they fill it), and asking a 19 year old offense first dman to take on tough assignments is insane.

Yup, I think whoever steps in for Andersson is going to get absolutely caved in. The defense was already a hodgepodge of guys playing too high and it will be worse next year.
Playing defense as a rookie is hard for the defense first guys let alone offense first guys. A lot of the offense Parekh adds is likely going to be offset by mistakes on defense which is fine.

[Paulie Walnuts]

This along with losing out on Miller is another case of the Flames being saved from themselves based on others.

All the teams linked to Byram outside of the Flames are playoff teams. The team who got Miller is a playoff team.

[Erick Estrada]

Parekh is going to receive sheltered minutes. Certainly not the minutes Andersson has been playing.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yup, I think whoever steps in for Andersson is going to get absolutely caved in. The defense was already a hodgepodge of guys playing too high and it will be worse next year.
Playing defense as a rookie is hard for the defense first guys let alone offense first guys. A lot of the offense Parekh adds is likely going to be offset by mistakes on defense which is fine.

Yeah and I'm firmly on the Parekh train. I think he's going to take leaps this year and impress.