[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by traptor

He's earned his right to go where he wants.

And like with everything else in life, there are impacts to every decision.
Marner didn't really do anything wrong either.


Doesn't mean the fans have to be happy about it.

If I’m Andersson I’d want it done ASAP so you’d know where you were going and could settle in there ahead of the season starting. Rather than getting uprooted half way through.

But I guess he only gets one shot at it. So might as well try and get the best scenario possible.

Conman trying to squeeze as much as he can as well.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Except he wants to win.

With him, Orlov and Leddy that gives them a solid attempt to jump up the standings. If I was a potential FA looking at teams on the upswing, I'd be looking at SJ before anybody else. They have the pieces in place to make the moves.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Gully is a pretty damn smart coach, he just needs to learn how to communicate better. Maybe he has since his time here.

Smart but not good. A hilariously bad hire. I think we overall we see some serious surprises this season.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dammage79

With him, Orlov and Leddy that gives them a solid attempt to jump up the standings. If I was a potential FA looking at teams on the upswing, I'd be looking at SJ before anybody else. They have the pieces in place to make the moves.

They could jump up 5 spots and be terrible. Leddy is done. And despite the hype, their young guys are still 60-70 point forwards.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

They could jump up 5 spots and be terrible. Leddy is done. And despite the hype, their young guys are still 60-70 point forwards.

Celebrini had 63 points as a 18 yo. You don’t think those guys will improve ?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dammage79

With him, Orlov and Leddy that gives them a solid attempt to jump up the standings. If I was a potential FA looking at teams on the upswing, I'd be looking at SJ before anybody else. They have the pieces in place to make the moves.

Their defence is still exceptionally weak. Orlov and Leddy are at best stopgaps that may get them out of the bottom 5 if they are lucky.

They are on the upswing basically because they can't go down. Getting Schaefer this year would have made them more viable long term.

Would Andersson make them a better team this year? Of course, he'd make any team better.

But they are likely still far away from being a playoff contender that trading multiple assets for Andersson likely sets them back long term if they want to be a true contender.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Celebrini had 63 points as a 18 yo. You don’t think those guys will improve ?

Their collection of forwards are quite good for sure.

Their team defence is still quite the shambles.

They finished in 32nd lace 9 points behind Chicago. Let that sink in a bit.

Chicago finished 7 points behind Nashville, who finished 8 points behind the Flyers and the Bruins.

So, SJ finished 24 points behind the 4th worse team.

They were a team -105 in goal differential, 35 behind the Hawks.

They currently have a huge hill to climb just to be terrible.

They'll need big improvements from the young forwards (some of which is likely guaranteed) to make up a lot of that difference, because guys like Leddy and Orlov will make some difference but they are bottom dmen at best.

Probably the biggest need they have is for Askarov to show he can be a Wolf type goalie.

[SuperMatt18]

Sharks intentionally sabotaged their goaltending last year though.

They moved Blackwood and then kept Askarov in the minors when he was playing too good.

If there was a team as a UFA where I wanted to spend the next 8 years and have a good chance at winning, it's San Jose IMO

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Their defence is still exceptionally weak. Orlov and Leddy are at best stopgaps that may get them out of the bottom 5 if they are lucky.

They are on the upswing basically because they can't go down. Getting Schaefer this year would have made them more viable long term.

Would Andersson make them a better team this year? Of course, he'd make any team better.

But they are likely still far away from being a playoff contender that trading multiple assets for Andersson likely sets them back long term if they want to be a true contender.

Their D is still not great but it is not as bad as it was in June. Orlov was a great add. They could have a decent group if they could upgrade their #1RD and move out most of their group from last year.

Orlov-Andersson
Mukhamadullin-Liljegren
Dickinson-Thompson
X: Leddy, Klingberg

Out: Ferraro, Desharnais, Thrun

And their Goaltending situation is massively upgraded over Georgiev:
Askarov
Nedeljkovic

But without that #1RD upgrade they are basically running Liljegren or Klingberg as the top pair RD which is not going to go well.

[dissentowner]

Update: from what I have heard don't expect Andersson to be a sign and trade. Not only has he not asked for permission to talk to other teams but my understanding is he doesn't plan to either. If he gets traded to a team and they seem like a fit he will sign an extension with them but he is keeping the option open right now to test free agency in a year.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Celebrini had 63 points as a 18 yo. You don’t think those guys will improve ?

He had those 63pts in 70 games as well

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Update: from what I have heard don't expect Andersson to be a sign and trade. Not only has he not asked for permission to talk to other teams but my understanding is he doesn't plan to either. If he gets traded to a team and they seem like a fit he will sign an extension with them but he is keeping the option open right now to test free agency in a year.

If so, Connie should be looking for the best deal he can get, possibly before the season opens. I'm OK with it though, if he waits to the TDL or until a "contenda" gets a perceived crippling injury and comes looking.

[AC]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Update: from what I have heard don't expect Andersson to be a sign and trade. Not only has he not asked for permission to talk to other teams but my understanding is he doesn't plan to either. If he gets traded to a team and they seem like a fit he will sign an extension with them but he is keeping the option open right now to test free agency in a year.

That's not ideal from a Flames perspective in terms of max value, though it likely opens up the number of teams again somewhat so maybe not all bad news.

But really it's what I'd want to do if I were in his shoes, get traded to a team and see if it's a good fit before committing 7-8 years there.

Fans aren't going to like it, but it's the most reasonable decision IMO and also a right he's earned.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Update: from what I have heard don't expect Andersson to be a sign and trade. Not only has he not asked for permission to talk to other teams but my understanding is he doesn't plan to either. If he gets traded to a team and they seem like a fit he will sign an extension with them but he is keeping the option open right now to test free agency in a year.

That is too bad from a trade value perspective. It is also a really weird position to take for Andersson. It would be really hard for a 6 year UFA contract to have as much value as an 8 year extension. He must be banking on being able to sign a good contract as a 35 year old...

$8Mx8 + $3Mx1 at 37 years old
$10M x 6yrs + $6Mx3 at 35 years old

In theory both paths gets him to 38 but he would need a GM to go crazy and throw massive contracts at him because "the cap is going up". He would also need to maintain his play and health enough to get another significant contract at 35. The safer route would be to get the 8 year extension as soon as possible.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by AC

That's not ideal from a Flames perspective in terms of max value, though it likely opens up the number of teams again somewhat so maybe not all bad news.

But really it's what I'd want to do if I were in his shoes, get traded to a team and see if it's a good fit before committing 7-8 years there.

Fans aren't going to like it, but it's the most reasonable decision IMO and also a right he's earned.

Hanifin 2.0.

They should put conditions on a pick if he ends up extending.

We pretty much got a 1st for Hanifin

[AC]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

They should put conditions on a pick if he ends up extending.

Those aren't allowed anymore unfortunately.

I wonder if you could technically have a conditional pick worded around the number of games the player plays for that team the following season or something, instead of "contingent on re-signing".

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by AC

Those aren't allowed anymore unfortunately.

That sucks.

Out of everyone I feel like Hanifin screwed us the worst.

[dammage79]

Well that's fine, his still carries great value for a season fully retained. Hopefully they find a good trade and just move on.

[devo22]

I hope the Flames will retain money to extract as much value as possible. No reason to save a retention slot here.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Wolven

That is too bad from a trade value perspective. It is also a really weird position to take for Andersson. It would be really hard for a 6 year UFA contract to have as much value as an 8 year extension. He must be banking on being able to sign a good contract as a 35 year old...

$8Mx8 + $3Mx1 at 37 years old
$10M x 6yrs + $6Mx3 at 35 years old

In theory both paths gets him to 38 but he would need a GM to go crazy and throw massive contracts at him because "the cap is going up". He would also need to maintain his play and health enough to get another significant contract at 35. The safer route would be to get the 8 year extension as soon as possible.

The team that gets him will either extend him to an 8 year deal or do a sign and trade to another team before July 1st. He will most likely get his 8 year deal no matter what.