[Rumour] Dreger: Bowen Byram trade talks heating up. Calgary one of many teams interested

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

https://dailyhive.com/calgary/flames...-talks-on-hold

This article says that Francis and Friedman are saying the Flames put talks on hold, not the players

And the article is dated October 31, 2023 – less than a month into the season. It's pretty clear that the talks never got beyond an early stage before the team went into that losing streak and all bets were off.

If I'm the owner of an NHL team, I want my GM at least discussing possible extension terms with every player going into the last year of his contract, unless it's clear that he's not NHL calibre and there's no point keeping him at all. Trading versus re-signing is always a cost-benefit calculation, and if you don't know the approximate cost of re-signing, you're not in a position to calculate the benefits of a trade.

If his agent says, ‘My client would sign for X years at Y dollars,’ you have an estimate to work with. If he says, ‘My client wants to go UFA and test the market,’ you know there's no benefit in keeping the player (except for what he can contribute this season) and it's time to pivot to a trade. If the agent plays coy, you do the best you can without the information. But you have to at least try to get that information so you don't shoot yourself in the foot.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

https://dailyhive.com/calgary/flames...-talks-on-hold

This article says that Francis and Friedman are saying the Flames put talks on hold, not the players

Articles and stuff are pretty much irrefutable though I am sure one could find a way.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

https://dailyhive.com/calgary/flames...-talks-on-hold

This article says that Francis and Friedman are saying the Flames put talks on hold, not the players

Friedman doesn’t say the Flames paused talks it’s Eric freaking Francis.

That doesn’t change the fact the plan was to sign the trio.

[GullFoss]

The flames rebuild currently features two top four defensemen in BRZ and Parkeh.

It features a lot of defensive prospects who will fill a 5/6 spot.

It features one top 3 forward: coronato

It features five forwards who slot into a middle six role: Grindin, Zary, Honzek, Reschny, Potter

It features one franchise goalie: Wolf

The flames already have two first round picks in the 2026 draft and will get additional first round picks for Rasmus. They could get additional picks for Coleman and Kadri and Frost over the next season or two.

Honestly, over the next 2-3 seasons, the flames just need one disastrous season to secure a franchise forward. At that point they're pretty much set

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Friedman doesn’t say the Flames paused talks it’s Eric freaking Francis.

That doesn’t change the fact the plan was to sign the trio.

Honestly. Who cares? Shovel dirt at others to prove your point all you want. But it’s taking away from the present. Hard to drive forward looking in the rear view mirror.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Friedman doesn’t say the Flames paused talks it’s Eric freaking Francis.

That doesn’t change the fact the plan was to sign the trio.

9 games in and they pull the plug? Seems like that was the plan all along.

Colorado and Edmonton had worse starts than that

[Bert]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

9 games in and they pull the plug? Seems like that was the plan all along.

Colorado and Edmonton had worse starts than that

Colorado and Edmonton both have franchise/generational players

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by GullFoss

The flames rebuild currently features two top four defensemen in BRZ and Parkeh.

It features a lot of defensive prospects who will fill a 5/6 spot.

It features one top 3 forward: coronato

It features five forwards who slot into a middle six role: Grindin, Zary, Honzek, Reschny, Potter

It features one franchise goalie: Wolf

The flames already have two first round picks in the 2026 draft and will get additional first round picks for Rasmus. They could get additional picks for Coleman and Kadri and Frost over the next season or two.

Honestly, over the next 2-3 seasons, the flames just need one disastrous season to secure a franchise forward. At that point they're pretty much set

In the history of the NHL I doubt every prospect has hit the way you are laying it out/ as optimistic

This is one of the main issues with people and the Flames rebuild . The expectation everyone will develop and work out

We don’t even have a top 10 ranked farm system according to most publications

[Jiri Hrdina]

Which publications have even updated their rankings after this season and draft?

[Bingo Jr.]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

In the history of the NHL I doubt every prospect has hit the way you are laying it out/ as optimistic

This is one of the main issues with people and the Flames rebuild . The expectation everyone will develop and work out

We don’t even have a top 10 ranked farm system according to most publications

I get that, but he also didn't mention Basha, Battaglia, Mews, Suniev, Morin, Misa, Klapka, etc.

They've done a phenomenal job filling the cupboards in short order.

And a couple publications had us at 9th last year, not sure where you're getting that from especially after the strong draft we just had.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The criticism of management for signing players they never signed is one of the dumbest memes to come out of CP in the last decade.

Paulie thanked by Rhett is all you need to know

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Tanev asked for a trade in November and they still tried to convince him otherwise. Based off LeBrun while they shopped him and agreed to the Dallas deal they put on a strong push to keep him before the trade.

Sounds like here it was February before the deadline that he asked to be moved.

https://calgaryhockeynow.com/2024/02...in-nhl-trades/

We had brief talks in training camp and then basically a couple weeks ago I sat down with Connie and said, ‘I want to try to win – this could be my best chance to do it. He was super understanding and would only trade me to a team where they had the potential to win, and I appreciate that.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Which publications have even updated their rankings after this season and draft?

You think our 16th and 32 picks moved us up significantly in the rankings ??

Especially against teams with top 5-8 picks in the draft ?

Honestly this board is a little delusional with the quality of our prospects.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I think they will be ranked in the 7-9 range based on how their prospects developed last year and recent draftees.
They were 13th in the athletic rankings so I dont think a move to the top 10 is nuts.
If I’m right perhaps you won’t be so quick to call others delusional

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Bingo Jr.

I get that, but he also didn't mention Basha, Battaglia, Mews, Suniev, Morin, Misa, Klapka, etc.

They've done a phenomenal job filling the cupboards in short order.

And a couple publications had us at 9th last year, not sure where you're getting that from especially after the strong draft we just had.

Let’s for arguments sake say we are 10th - we didn’t have a top 15 first rounder this year - an extra 32nd overall pick doesn’t really move the needle TBH

And on the roster for young impact players we have Wolf and Cornato

So a 10h ranked farm and 2 impact core players. It’s a ok/good start - but no where near being “almost complete “ or realistically near a competitive core

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think they will be ranked in the 7-9 range based on how their prospects developed last year and recent draftees.
They were 13th in the athletic rankings so I dont think a move to the top 10 is nuts.
If I’m right perhaps you won’t be so quick to call others delusional

I said not top 10 and your argument is might sneak into 7-9 range . Wow so far off ! Maybe 1 whole spot !

And honestly I see them more in 10-12 range but at that point it’s a rounding error

And people are delusional with the quality of our prospects / projections . People project every pick to work out . A bottom 10 first rounder has about a 30% chance of even being an average NHL player - let alone the 2nd round picks

[Jiri Hrdina]

There's a world of difference in saying "We don’t even have a top 10 ranked farm system according to most publications" v. you saying "I think they are ranked in the 10-12 range". If you don't see that I can't help you. One is clearly framing things as a negative statement about the prospects relative to how you perceive fan expectations. The other is just stating where you think they rank.

If you had something like "I think they are ranked in the 10-12 range" my response would have been much more different and something like "I think they could be a bit higher like 7-9".

And then you called me delusional when i hadn't even stated where i think they rank. I don't know how someone can be delusional by simply asking what publications you were citing. But here we are.

[Jiri Hrdina]

I'll add that Gully's projections aren't widely optimistic.
He's not projecting a ton of stars. i think he's being quite bullish on Coronato who I see as a second liner but he's also not accounting for a bunch of other guys in the pipeline. And he's describing most of the other guys pretty realistically including admitting they need to to get a franchise forward. It's a pretty balanced take. And I don't think he's saying all those guys will work out - he's projecting the potential slots they fill.

And you flew off the handle at him too.

Your responses in this thread are not proportional to what people are posting because you are in such as rush to counter any hint of optimism with your usual negative takes.

[Hackey]

We've seen this story a million times before though. A new crop of prospects everyone is really high on and the majority never pan out. Parekh needs to pan out. If he doesn't they are really in tough. Hopefully one or two other guys surprise. The rest will like be role players or never make much noise. If they would just bite the bullet and draft high for the next 2 or 3 drafts they might actually find their next core and hopefully have some depth to surround them with. These late 1sts likely aren't going to get you stars though.

[Rhett44]

I'm actually really high on our prospect pool. I think Zayne falling to us could end being huge. Wolf if he is consistent is a top 10 goalie in the league.

I also like Coronato, although I believe he ends up being a 2nd liner. I like Bru on defense as a 2nd liner in the future. I like our picks in the draft this year as well.

I also think between our top couple picks in this year's draft and Frost, one of them is likely to develop into a solid 2nd line center.

Our biggest need is a 1st line center. Unless you are Vegas, the only way you get those is near the top of the draft. I think a top line center and winger are our biggest needs

It isn't all dire, I actually like a lot of what we are doing. I just hope we tank a bit to get some elite forwards.