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Old 07-04-2025, 04:13 PM   #4001
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Based upon absolutely nothing…
No, based on making an educated guess from all the information available.
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Old 07-04-2025, 04:31 PM   #4002
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Lol I look forward to the complete meltdowns by certain posters if the Flames wait till August or later to move Ras.

Some people acting like Conroy pulled a Feaster and traded the equivalent of Iginla for 2 bums and a first in the Hanifin deal. The return, while not incredible, is not even close to being on the list of worst bungled assets by the Flames. It could actually be a very good return if Vegas somehow implodes (unlikely). What we already have is evidence of Conroy being able to extract decent to excellent value in multiple trades. Some posters gotta ####ing chill, it’s a long offseason. Pace yourselves.
Just need Eichels neck, Stones back to go bad again and we are all good 😂
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Old 07-04-2025, 07:19 PM   #4003
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Apparently at least five NHL teams have inquired about coaxing Marc-André Fleury out of retirement. Goalie market is some kinda lean this year.

https://lapochebleue.com/lnh-marc-an...ieurs-equipes/
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Apparently at least five NHL teams have inquired about coaxing Marc-André Fleury out of retirement. Goalie market is some kinda lean this year.

https://lapochebleue.com/lnh-marc-an...ieurs-equipes/
I bet it was the Oilers calling him 5 separate times.
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Old 07-04-2025, 07:47 PM   #4005
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No.

He’s earned the right to be UFA.

Flames have to manage the asset and this fanbase has PTSD.
Yeah I definitely agree he’s earned the right for the UFA piece. I guess for me though, if the reports about only extending in Vegas are true, I just see that as a bit short sighted personally and overplaying his hand in that sense. Likely means less money, and I’m not sure it means automatically he’s going to get a championship out of it- not a big believer in Vegas, if I was Rasmus I just don’t know if I’d try and angle myself into one team as you can imagine what the offers look like if they know that.

I guess basically my point is if you’re telling the Flames that, it’s overplaying your UFA hand a bit. It hurts you just like it hurts the Flames.
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Old 07-04-2025, 09:18 PM   #4006
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Yeah I definitely agree he’s earned the right for the UFA piece. I guess for me though, if the reports about only extending in Vegas are true, I just see that as a bit short sighted personally and overplaying his hand in that sense. Likely means less money, and I’m not sure it means automatically he’s going to get a championship out of it- not a big believer in Vegas, if I was Rasmus I just don’t know if I’d try and angle myself into one team as you can imagine what the offers look like if they know that.

I guess basically my point is if you’re telling the Flames that, it’s overplaying your UFA hand a bit. It hurts you just like it hurts the Flames.
You are discounting that he probably knows exactly what Vegas will sign him for and he likes it haha.
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Old 07-04-2025, 09:38 PM   #4007
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Yeah I definitely agree he’s earned the right for the UFA piece. I guess for me though, if the reports about only extending in Vegas are true, I just see that as a bit short sighted personally and overplaying his hand in that sense. Likely means less money, and I’m not sure it means automatically he’s going to get a championship out of it- not a big believer in Vegas, if I was Rasmus I just don’t know if I’d try and angle myself into one team as you can imagine what the offers look like if they know that.

I guess basically my point is if you’re telling the Flames that, it’s overplaying your UFA hand a bit. It hurts you just like it hurts the Flames.
My understanding was this was an off the cuff remark, like “ where would you like to play one day - Vegas?”. I don’t think it’s a legitimate thing.
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A deal with George as one of the main pieces is pretty meh.
I think he projects to being a back-up or tandem goalie at best.
Big whoop.
Dreger is the wolf blitzer of hockey insiders. We have major breaking news…Calgary was offered a phenomenal deal from LAK. Both very self important and self promoters
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No.

He’s earned the right to be UFA.

Flames have to manage the asset and this fanbase has PTSD.
Fair enough but if hes publically saying he will only sign with 1 specific team driving down his own value then he deserves to get the Adam Fox Booing treatment down the line.
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My understanding was this was an off the cuff remark, like “ where would you like to play one day - Vegas?”. I don’t think it’s a legitimate thing.
This fits a lot more with what we know of Rasmus, over his entire time here. I want to play in Vegas, and I'm not even a hockey player. Some media drone probably thought that he got a big scoop.
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Fair enough but if hes publically saying he will only sign with 1 specific team driving down his own value then he deserves to get the Adam Fox Booing treatment down the line.
But he isn't, right? And even if he did, that's 100% his call, and one that every free agent has, yet we seem to be way, way more sensitive to it than anyone else (I understand why to some extent) and pretend it doesn't happen to any other team.

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Old 07-05-2025, 12:34 AM   #4012
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Dreger is the wolf blitzer of hockey insiders. We have major breaking news…Calgary was offered a phenomenal deal from LAK. Both very self important and self promoters
Very self-important, self-promoters, and they are living on reputations they earned decades ago. Wolf Blitzer was the guy covering the first Gulf war, and has been kind of coasting ever since. I think the comparison is very apt.
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So all this outrage against Ras is for nothing? He wasn't actually even approached about a trade yet?

This sounds like the Kings GM being bitter. How did Dreger get wind of this?

You can't fault Rasmus for not wanting to sign an extension before a trade. He has earned the right to be an UFA. All this outrage for nothing.
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Old 07-05-2025, 05:37 AM   #4014
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So all this outrage against Ras is for nothing? He wasn't actually even approached about a trade yet?

This sounds like the Kings GM being bitter. How did Dreger get wind of this?

You can't fault Rasmus for not wanting to sign an extension before a trade. He has earned the right to be an UFA. All this outrage for nothing.
It generally is all for nothing.
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Old 07-05-2025, 06:59 AM   #4015
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To add to this, Conroy's organizational direction is solid in my opinion. I would be okay with a few years of bottom 5 finishes. However, I accept that is not the organization's view. Nevertheless, they are focused on drafting and developing well with the picks available and gathering more picks; not letting valuable free agents walk for nothing; having a professional environment for young players to grow in; and, identifying players and market inefficiencies to help round out the roster.


One failed transaction here or there does not determine his tenure as GM. I already have more faith that this build will result better than the last one.
I have slightly more faith that Conroy won't spend picks as recklessly as Treliving but I also think he's in a position where it makes far less sense.

Do we have a Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Bennett, Lindholm, etc. in the system yet?

I think we take for granted how extremely lucky we were to obtain some of those players and how difficult it is going to be to replicate something similar unless they bottom out for a few years. Tkachuk at 6 and Gaudreau in the 4th round are very rare.
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Dream trade I know it will never happen but I think the value is maybe in the realm?

To Stars: Andersson, Coleman (both 50% retained) VGK 1st
To Ducks: Robertson, Pospisil
To Flames: McTavish
Way too much given up by the Flames. And I certainly wouldn't be trading Vegas' unprotected 1st.
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Old 07-05-2025, 08:32 AM   #4017
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I have slightly more faith that Conroy won't spend picks as recklessly as Treliving but I also think he's in a position where it makes far less sense.

Do we have a Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Bennett, Lindholm, etc. in the system yet?

I think we take for granted how extremely lucky we were to obtain some of those players and how difficult it is going to be to replicate something similar unless they bottom out for a few years. Tkachuk at 6 and Gaudreau in the 4th round are very rare.
Yup that last rebuild failed despite have 2 amazing draft picks - top of the decade in JG and MT .

This also included finishing bottom 6 three times during that span (one being MT)

This is why I laugh seeing people think we are anywhere close to having the prospect base and in system stars we need with our mid and late 1sts and /2nd rounders

This team has one probable top 4 D in Parekh and top 6 forward in Cornato right now . If one other prospect can turn into a top 4 D and 2 top 6 forward (contender type top 6 not fringe playoffs ) we are still missing a number 1/2D , and an entire first line

This team is three bottom 5 finishes / lottery luck from properly rebuilding.

And I believe last year was suppose to be the first of those 3 years and the team screwed up the plan

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Old 07-05-2025, 08:32 AM   #4018
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Dream trade I know it will never happen but I think the value is maybe in the realm?

To Stars: Andersson, Coleman (both 50% retained) VGK 1st
To Ducks: Robertson, Pospisil
To Flames: McTavish
Too much from Flames and not much from Ducks.

Should be Andersson, Pospisil, and Coleman (50%) to Dallas for Robertson and Dumba.

Then we trade Bean and Robertson to Anaheim for McTavish and Zelleweger.
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I have slightly more faith that Conroy won't spend picks as recklessly as Treliving but I also think he's in a position where it makes far less sense.

Do we have a Gaudreau, Monahan, Tkachuk, Bennett, Lindholm, etc. in the system yet?

I think we take for granted how extremely lucky we were to obtain some of those players and how difficult it is going to be to replicate something similar unless they bottom out for a few years. Tkachuk at 6 and Gaudreau in the 4th round are very rare.
There will be some luck and surprises along the way, there always is. As for Tkachuk and Gaudreau being hard to replicate, Wolf was a 7th rounder, and Parekh was a 9OA. Obviously it is too early to call them stars, but they are trending in that direction, and could turn out to be even bigger hits than Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

As for Monahan, Lindholm and Bennett, it is not unreasonable to think that 2 or 3 of Honzek, Gridin, Reschny, Suniev, Potter, Basha or Battaglia can get to that level (or another surprise). And we'll have more picks next year.
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