[Rumour] Dreger: Bowen Byram trade talks heating up. Calgary one of many teams interested

[MacDaddy77]

More realistic - Raz wants to win now, he's not waiving to Buffalo but would likely think about Dallas, package him with Coleman and a 2nd to make a deal for Johnson

[dammage79]

We WANT Johnston, that's the main issue here. RHS Center under 25. It's obvious he fits the Flames needs to a T.

Of course we as fans are gonna talk about him even in unrealistic terms.

For me the truth of it is, Dallas didn't just Re-Sign him to a typical RFA deal, they signed him as a long term investment confident that he's their guy long term. Armed with that basic thread of information, it's extremely probable that the Stars will not entertain moving such a young player in a trade that has Rasmus Andersson in it. Heck, I'd wager if the Flames even included their own unprotected 1st in an Andersson package they would decline.

Robertson on the other hand, Dallas has let it be known they're willing to move him. There's been rumors from Serivalli and other MSM reporters that an Andersson for Robertson trade is possible 1 for 1.

So here we are. Debating about a player a team just invested heavily into as being a trade piece when we would lose our collective minds if they moved a similar player with a similar investment for a soon to be 30 year old D man with a year left on his deal.

No, Johnston by all logical metrics is not available , Robertson is for some reason.

That being said, anything can happen.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Sandman

Any player can be moved, but players like Johnston don't grow on trees- centers who are young, 6'2", and can outskate most in the NHL. If you trade away a guy like that, you're just going to be looking for the next young 6'2" C who can outskate most in the NHL. There are players who are more untouchable, but not that many IMO.

He is only 6’1 sadly according to hockeydb.

[home_sweet_dome]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It's funny that people are saying no way the Stars would move Johnston, a year ago how many would say the same thing about Robertson? I would bet every poster who says that about Johnston now. Every player can be had for the right price.

ok but that price sure as hell ain't Rasmus Andersson as the centerpiece LOL

[MacDaddy77]

Stars are much closer to a chance at a cup and needs to evaluate what has held them back. is it a #2/3 centre or is it having strength on the RHS Dman.

I think they would be tempted to push the chips in on a RHS. They need to look around the league too.

Colorado - stayed much the same
Oilers - probably worse, older but still have top Offensive talent.
Blues - improved
Kings - Meh, likely worse
Vegas - improved offense worse defence.
Jets - worse

So if you look at your competition, do you need offense to compete or strengthen a D core to better compete.

I dont think it's any secret that to build a championship team you need 1 line to go head to head vs other teams top forwards and have a top shut down pairing.

Andersson at this point in his career is exactly what the stars need to push for a cup in the next 3-4 years.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

Stars are much closer to a chance at a cup and needs to evaluate what has held them back. is it a #2/3 centre or is it having strength on the RHS Dman.

I think they would be tempted to push the chips in on a RHS. They need to look around the league too.

Colorado - stayed much the same
Oilers - probably worse, older but still have top Offensive talent.
Blues - improved
Kings - Meh, likely worse
Vegas - improved offense worse defence.
Jets - worse

So if you look at your competition, do you need offense to compete or strengthen a D core to better compete.

I dont think it's any secret that to build a championship team you need 1 line to go head to head vs other teams top forwards and have a top shut down pairing.

Andersson at this point in his career is exactly what the stars need to push for a cup in the next 3-4 years.

And Johnston is also exactly what they need to compete for the next decade.


Why would they trade him for a less valuable player to create an even bigger hole.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by dammage79

We WANT Johnston, that's the main issue here. RHS Center under 25. It's obvious he fits the Flames needs to a T.

Of course we as fans are gonna talk about him even in unrealistic terms.

For me the truth of it is, Dallas didn't just Re-Sign him to a typical RFA deal, they signed him as a long term investment confident that he's their guy long term. Armed with that basic thread of information, it's extremely probable that the Stars will not entertain moving such a young player in a trade that has Rasmus Andersson in it. Heck, I'd wager if the Flames even included their own unprotected 1st in an Andersson package they would decline.

Robertson on the other hand, Dallas has let it be known they're willing to move him. There's been rumors from Serivalli and other MSM reporters that an Andersson for Robertson trade if possible 1 for 1.

So here we are. Debating about a player a team just invested heavily into as being a trade piece when we would lose our collective minds if they moved a similar player with a similar investment for a soon to be 30 year old D man with a year left on his deal.

No, Johnston by all logical metrics is not available , Robertson is for some reason.

That being said, anything can happen.

A few counter points.

1) Hintz is signed for longer
2) Johnston was very specifically given less money than Hintz
3) Hintz continues to have a better pts/gm pace in the regular season and a better playoff performance

The Stars are deep in C and Johnston is not their #1 guy. They are terrible in RD and need a #1RD if they want to win now.

They can offer Robertson but the Flames should hang up immediately if that is the offer. If Nill wants to keep talking he needs to pony up a C that fits the Flames need. He can either do that from his own org or try to use Robertson to get a C out of another team and trade that C to the Flames.

Otherwise, maybe Andersson ends up in Vegas and the Stars run the risk of losing in the conference finals to the Golden Knights instead of losing to the Oilers. These conference rival arms races are no joke.

[MacDaddy77]

Originally Posted by traptor

And Johnston is also exactly what they need to compete for the next decade.


Why would they trade him for a less valuable player to create an even bigger hole.

they have a #1 C already. Rope Hintz allows them to be competitive for the next decade.

They are missing strength down the right side of their D.

it's HIGHLY unlikely to happen but teams need to give to get. That's what's being missed in the people saying so and so will not be traded for any reason.

As a GM you have a short window to put it all together. Dallas is in that window, Don't worry about 7 years from now, they need to win while they have Ottenger at his best. Strengthening D and keeping Hintz and a top line together would be their best bet.

Johnson is a luxury for the Stars, they still have other pieces that could fill the hole with him leaving. Also if he came to Calgary that makes a player like Zary expendable so maybe he is part of the package and becomes their 3rd line C.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

He is only 6’1 sadly according to hockeydb.

I stand corrected.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

they have a #1 C already. Rope Hintz allows them to be competitive for the next decade.

They are missing strength down the right side of their D.

it's HIGHLY unlikely to happen but teams need to give to get. That's what's being missed in the people saying so and so will not be traded for any reason.

As a GM you have a short window to put it all together. Dallas is in that window, Don't worry about 7 years from now, they

need to win while they have Ottenger at his best. Strengthening D and keeping Hintz and a top line together would be their best bet.

Johnson is a luxury for the Stars, they still have other pieces that could fill the hole with him leaving. Also if he came to Calgary that makes a player like Zary expendable so maybe he is part of the package and becomes their 3rd line C.

i would rate the probability of this trade happening very low, having said that I can see a scenario where Dallas does become a better team even though they give up the better
player. There window is now, and they need to change things up
, if they feel Andersson is their guy, I could see them sacrificing johnston to make that happen.

Andersson, Coleman(salary retained) and a 2nd, with another team helping with the retention on Andersson for this year, probably a 3rd or 4th round pick coming from Calgary to help with retention. It does save Dallas about 4 million as well, more options for them at the 2026 trade deadline

[Sofa GM]

Originally Posted by browntrout

i would rate the probability of this trade happening very low, having said that I can see a scenario where Dallas does become a better team even though they give up the better
player. There window is now, and they need to change things up
, if they feel Andersson is their guy, I could see them sacrificing johnston to make that happen.

Andersson, Coleman(salary retained) and a 2nd, with another team helping with the retention on Andersson for this year, probably a 3rd or 4th round pick coming from Calgary to help with retention. It does save Dallas about 4 million as well, more options for them at the 2026 trade deadline

There are going to be some sad people here when the final return on whatever trade happens is realized. The expectations here are a long way out of line. I’m not sure Dallas gives up Bischel straight up for Andersson even, add in Coleman and you might get Bourque added. There is no scenario where we get Johnston as a return with Andersson as the base. Would require adding Zary and maybe our 1st. Johnston has 2 30 goal seasons and just turned 22, zero chance Dallas moves him.

[devo22]

Johnston is a pipe dream. Will never ever happen.

Don't want Bichsel either, for the simple fact that I don't want to read Bischel a million times on here.

[BrownDrake]

Johnson is not going anywhere, where did this even start? Speculation is fun but needs some basis in reality, pipe dreams shouldn't be in the rumours and speculation thread.

[devo22]

Bourque is the much more realistic target. 23 years old, right handed C, might be buried a bit in their system and might pop if given a bigger opportunity. But he's 5'11, so the size police on here wouldn't be happy.

I also love Jason Robertson. Too bad he's not what the Flames need right now.

[MacDaddy77]

It’s fun to speculate and talk about. I’m under no illusion that flames will actually get Johnson but it does kind of make sense for Dallas due to the lack of options for RHD

[devo22]

I think it makes sense for Dallas to target Ras, yeah. But I don't think it makes sense for them to even think about moving Johnston. They have a 1/2 punch down the middle in Hintz/Johnston that lots and lots of teams would kill for, so I'd imagine Johnston is pretty much untouchable. Right handed center with back-to-back 30 goal seasons at 22 ... those players are so rare, you simply don't move them.

I do think Robertson might be available, especially since he's entering the final year of his RFA deal and will need a new long-term deal next year. After paying Rantanen and with Harley needing a new deal next year as well, I could very well see them move him. I think Bourque will be a trading chip too, given they are pretty set down the middle.

Not going to lie, I'd be interested in what a package of Ras and Coleman (retained) could fetch. Bourque, Bichsel, Robertson (who could be traded on) ... there's some pieces there to work with.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Sofa GM

There are going to be some sad people here when the final return on whatever trade happens is realized. The expectations here are a long way out of line. I’m not sure Dallas gives up Bischel straight up for Andersson even, add in Coleman and you might get Bourque added. There is no scenario where we get Johnston as a return with Andersson as the base. Would require adding Zary and maybe our 1st. Johnston has 2 30 goal seasons and just turned 22, zero chance Dallas moves him.

Ok Jim Nill.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by MacDaddy77

they have a #1 C already. Rope Hintz allows them to be competitive for the next decade.

They are missing strength down the right side of their D.

it's HIGHLY unlikely to happen but teams need to give to get. That's what's being missed in the people saying so and so will not be traded for any reason.

As a GM you have a short window to put it all together. Dallas is in that window, Don't worry about 7 years from now, they need to win while they have Ottenger at his best. Strengthening D and keeping Hintz and a top line together would be their best bet.

Johnson is a luxury for the Stars, they still have other pieces that could fill the hole with him leaving. Also if he came to Calgary that makes a player like Zary expendable so maybe he is part of the package and becomes their 3rd line C.

Hintz is a good player, but you don’t win a cup with him as your 1C, especially without very strong 2C. And he’s 28 so no, he won’t be helping Dallas for a decade. Johnston is a 1C in the making and they would be idiots to trade him.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Lol, Johnston for Ras.
It's going to be a long off season.

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I believe the school of thought is that Dallas needs cap space and RD. I don't know why Robertson's name keeps popping up in Dallas rumors but they're there for a reason me thinks.

I wouldn't think so other wise either, I agree with you. Further more I don't think the Flames should be targeting wingers in any way but this is where we are at in the rumors world.

I agree. Also, Robertson’s skating is not great.