[Rumour] Dreger: Bowen Byram trade talks heating up. Calgary one of many teams interested

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Robertson for Razz 1 for 1. I feel like this is the kind of trade that will go down. Flames will use their cap space to make these kind of trades.

I'd personally prefer using Razz for a Necas type over a Robertson but I'm not too fussy. Just make the trade, get Byram done and walk into camp an interesting team.

I just find it hard to believe Ras alone will get you Robertson. I know he wasn't great for most of the playoffs but he's 25, has a 100 point season under his belt and is good for 80+ points

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I just find it hard to believe Ras alone will get you Robertson. I know he wasn't great for most of the playoffs but he's 25, has a 100 point season under his belt and is good for 80+ points

From a positional standpoint, RD >>>> LW. Not just because having good D is more important and impactful than wingers but also because the league has a shortage of right hand shot D.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I just find it hard to believe Ras alone will get you Robertson. I know he wasn't great for most of the playoffs but he's 25, has a 100 point season under his belt and is good for 80+ points

I believe the school of thought is that Dallas needs cap space and RD. I don't know why Robertson's name keeps popping up in Dallas rumors but they're there for a reason me thinks.

I wouldn't think so other wise either, I agree with you. Further more I don't think the Flames should be targeting wingers in any way but this is where we are at in the rumors world.

[ForeverFlameFan]

It makes too much sense for the Stars to acquire Robertson for Andersson and Coleman at 50%.

And hopefully, Robertson either re-signs with us, or can be traded for a top 6 center with promise. Someone like McTavish.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Hilariously, you managed to prove the point contrary to your first sentence and then tried to walk it back.

Trading Johnston is a Win Now move. From the Stars immediate view he is not a #1C, that is Hintz. Having Seguin and Duchene also make him expendable in the middle 6. Moving Johnston out makes sense for Bourque's situation too so he has an opportunity for a bigger role and bigger contract.

Andersson actually IS the upgrade that makes sense for the Stars right now. They came out of the playoffs and it was immediately pointed out that their D needed an upgrade on the right side. That is why there are so many rumours out there about the Stars trying to acquire him as he is the only option that fits into their cap structure. If they can bring in Andersson AND move out 2 cap dumps that are currently $7M in dead weight in the D group at the same time then that is a massive release valve for Nill to make better moves.

That is the type of move that makes one think about what it was like for the Flames to trade away Hull.

Robertson is not the solution for the Flames. The Flames already have a $10M LWer and the last thing we need is to bring in another expensive LWer and have his value tank because we do not have a C for him to play with. Could you imagine if Robertson came here, signed a massive extension, and his production cut in half?

Huh?

Wyatt Johnston is a player I could see move in one of those once a decade deals where someone like Jack Eichel is on the market. A very good NHL center that you’d move to get a franchise player in a package.

Rasmus Andersson is a #3D on an expiring contract, coming off a bad year by his own standards.

Duchene and an over the hill Seguin means all of a sudden their 22 year old stud center is expendable? No chance and we are squinting really hard to make the pieces work for Dallas in this NHL25 fantasy scenario.

If Wyatt Johnston were indeed a piece the Stars were leveraging to improve their blue line, they could do a hell of a lot better than Ras as the target.

[Rhett44]

I would be absolutely shocked if Dallas traded away Johnston. Especially for a 2nd pairing dman who had the worst plus minus in the league last year.

[HitterD]

^^^ why do you guys keep referring to Andersson as a “2nd pairing dman” or a “#3 dman”?

While Yes, he played on a different pair from Weegar, but that was due to the Flames deciding to spread out their 2 top defenseman to have different partners. Andersson was 18th in the league for TOI/game for defenseman. Weegar was 16th. Both are top pairing defenseman, and in Andersson's case, he would get top pairing minutes on a lot of teams. He might be a #3 on a stacked contender but otherwise he’s a solid 2, and a first pairing dman

[dissentowner]

I can go through the past 5 years and find year after year posts about players that "are not moving" that have.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

Huh?

Wyatt Johnston is a player I could see move in one of those once a decade deals where someone like Jack Eichel is on the market. A very good NHL center that you’d move to get a franchise player in a package.

Rasmus Andersson is a #3D on an expiring contract, coming off a bad year by his own standards.

Duchene and an over the hill Seguin means all of a sudden their 22 year old stud center is expendable? No chance and we are squinting really hard to make the pieces work for Dallas in this NHL25 fantasy scenario.

If Wyatt Johnston were indeed a piece the Stars were leveraging to improve their blue line, they could do a hell of a lot better than Ras as the target.

Your analysis of Andersson is the problem and it is likely poisoned by your opinion.

#3D do not play ~24 minutes per night. Andersson is a top pair RD. He may not carry a team but if you put him with talent he rises to the occasion. The Stars already have talent and playing Andersson with Heiskanen gives you a legitimate minute munching top pair. Andersson also brings things to the equation that Heiskanen is not good at: Hits, Blocks, Penalty Killing

Andersson is the best RD available both this year and next but he is available now. Also, this can all be had for $2.275M for the next year with 8 more years of control in an extension.

Sure, the Stars could try to land Karlsson instead but he is 7 years older and almost 3 times the cap hit (and I think he is a defensive liability). That doesn't really work for what the Stars are trying to do but I'm sure you can think of one other real alternative that fits.... go on.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by HitterD

^^^ why do you guys keep referring to Andersson as a “2nd pairing dman” or a “#3 dman”?

While Yes, he played on a different pair from Weegar, but that was due to the Flames deciding to spread out their 2 top defenseman to have different partners. Andersson was 18th in the league for TOI/game for defenseman. Weegar was 16th. Both are top pairing defenseman, and in Andersson's case, he would get top pairing minutes on a lot of teams. He might be a #3 on a stacked contender but otherwise he’s a solid 2, and a first pairing dman

I think he slots well as a strong second pairing defender, but not elite offensively or defensively that has him playing prime PP or PK minutes.

But could he play with a Heiskanen on a top paring for example? Absolutely.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Your analysis of Andersson is the problem and it is likely poisoned by your opinion.

#3D do not play ~24 minutes per night. Andersson is a top pair RD. He may not carry a team but if you put him with talent he rises to the occasion. The Stars already have talent and playing Andersson with Heiskanen gives you a legitimate minute munching top pair. Andersson also brings things to the equation that Heiskanen is not good at: Hits, Blocks, Penalty Killing

Andersson is the best RD available both this year and next but he is available now. Also, this can all be had for $2.275M for the next year with 8 more years of control in an extension.

Sure, the Stars could try to land Karlsson instead but he is 7 years older and almost 3 times the cap hit (and I think he is a defensive liability). That doesn't really work for what the Stars are trying to do but I'm sure you can think of one other real alternative that fits.... go on.

My analysis of Ras is not the problem. Wildly unrealistic trade expectations is the problem.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Ya guys who are on track to be top 15-20 centers in the league probably do not go for that much.

Weird. I must have forgotten about 1 or 2 in the Eichel trade. Or Jumbo Joe. Or Seguin.

[traptor]

Why are we just targeting Johston or Roberston in a Rasmus trade?


Why dont we target Stutzle, J. Hughes or Dahlin also?


Take a cap dump to even it out.


/s

[dissentowner]

It's funny that people are saying no way the Stars would move Johnston, a year ago how many would say the same thing about Robertson? I would bet every poster who says that about Johnston now. Every player can be had for the right price.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It's funny that people are saying no way the Stars would move Johnston, a year ago how many would say the same thing about Robertson? I would bet every poster who says that about Johnston now. Every player can be had for the right price.

The owner already had a beef with Robertson because of his original contract demands. Johnston is going nowhere.

[Sandman]

Any player can be moved, but players like Johnston don't grow on trees- centers who are young, 6'2", and can outskate most in the NHL. If you trade away a guy like that, you're just going to be looking for the next young 6'2" C who can outskate most in the NHL. There are players who are more untouchable, but not that many IMO.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It's funny that people are saying no way the Stars would move Johnston, a year ago how many would say the same thing about Robertson? I would bet every poster who says that about Johnston now. Every player can be had for the right price.

Johnston JUST extended with Dallas. They're not moving him for at least a year. If it was between Johnston and Robertson, Johnston is the easy choice to be keeping. Plays the harder position and is only getting better.

[MacDaddy77]

you trade Strength for need.

Flames Strength = RHD
Flames Need = 1/2 Centre (RHS preferred)

Dallas Strength = Centre
Dallas need - RHD

There's an obvious correlation to why a trade between Stars and Flames would work focused on those 2 positions as a centerpiece.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

My analysis of Ras is not the problem. Wildly unrealistic trade expectations is the problem.

Nah, the problem is still your analysis.

Your opinion is that he is a #3D / second pair. The data shows he is a #1/2 top pair D. The data is right and you are wrong. If you cannot value players properly then you have no idea how to set expectations for trades or understand complex systems / markets.

Go find better sources of information and stop pretending that your opinion is a fact.

Tying this back to Byram for a moment. He is exciting because of his draft pedigree and his age but his data has serious red flags:
- He has missed a big pile of games in his short career due to injuries (concussions)
- He finally played a full season for the first time but his 82GP Pace (38) is actually declining from his 2021 (46) and 2022 (47) seasons. Declining production when you finally get an increase in ice time is not good to see

He may still be worth trying to acquire but there is risk.

[442scotty]

I see we’re moving on from Buffalo to Dallas ����#♂️