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			There's just no fit with Toronto. 
 
Knies, sure. But why would the Leafs take a step back to get Kadri? 
 
no picks, no worthwhile prospects...I can't see it happening
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-03-2025, 09:18 AM
			
			
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				More like too bad for us if it's the only destination Kadri would entertain. 
			
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We’re not the ones eager to move him so I think it’s just fine for us. Leafs can figure it out.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-03-2025, 09:19 AM
			
			
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				Cowan is not a C prospect. His value is around a late 1st. 
 
A bunch of teams were in on Laughton at the deadline, and I doubt the Leafs were the only one offering a 1st for him. He’s been a good #3 C for most of his career. If he plays like he did with the Flyers, and with a 1.5 mil cap hit, there will be no shortage of playoff teams willing to move a 2nd for him at the deadline.  
 
So I make that late 1st + 2nd + 3rd. Pretty reasonable return for a 60 pt guy who will be 35 when the season starts. 
			
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I think you and I are very far apart on valuation of what's in this deal. Too far apart to even find middle ground! I think I'd lose my mind if that is all we got in a Kadri return.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-03-2025, 09:20 AM
			
			
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				I think you and I are very far apart on valuation of what's in this deal. Too far apart to even find middle ground! I think I'd lose my mind if that is all we got in a Kadri return. 
			
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I think we'd be setting up ourselves for major disappointment if we are expecting better than that kind of value.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-03-2025, 09:22 AM
			
			
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					Originally Posted by  Niemo
					 
				 
				I'd imagine Roy may be part of the deal? 
Who does Buffalo want from the Leafs?  Robertson? 
 
Kadri for Roy + Robertson + Unprotected 1st 2028 
 
Robertson + Pospisil + Mews + Bean 
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Roy, Robertson and 2028 1st would be an ok return.  Could then potentially use Roy as a chip to land something bigger.  Switch Robertson out and add Cowan and move forward.
 
At this point though I think it signals a complete tear down, should be looking to maximize on Coleman, Backlund, etc.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-03-2025, 09:23 AM
			
			
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			I love Kadri, but if a team is willing to take on his contract with no salary retained, I would be all over it. I don’t even really care what the return is. 
 
Moving Kadri is the one thing that will pull the Flames into the McKenna conversation and I am firmly in the camp that thinks this franchise needs that.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-03-2025, 09:24 AM
			
			
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				I think we'd be setting up ourselves for major disappointment if we are expecting better than that kind of value. 
			
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Cowan is the Leafs best prospect but that doesn't make him a good prospect.
 
Others have stated it here already. I don't think the Leafs have what it takes to get a deal done. Weak prospects, no high end picks in the near future, and no useful roster players.
 
It would drop the Flames into the cellar, which is about the only positive i can glean from a deal like that.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-03-2025, 09:24 AM
			
			
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					Originally Posted by  Royle9
					 
				 
				I will add that both Friedman and Kypreo's have been saying the same for a few days, so there's definitely smoke. 
Toronto has no 2026 1st rounder 
Toronto has no 2027 1st rounder 
2028... so far away to even consider, but you would wager it would have to be part of it.
 
I dislike Cowan very much, I think he's a long shot to be an every day NHL'r 
If I'm Craig I'm telling them Knies or nothing.    
			
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I do agree with you though. 2028 is too far away. Cowan doesn't seem like he'll be a full time NHLer and Knies would be all I want. The only way TML would consider trading Knies is because it gives them the cap space to add Kadri. However, I think they're dumb to trade Knies.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-03-2025, 09:25 AM
			
			
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			It's not as simple as saying what is Kadri worth today.  There are several things to consider if you're going to trade him: 
 
 
The value he's worth today 
The value in not having his contract on the books when his play starts to decline 
The value of the pick in potentially being worse this coming season since presumably your team will be worse.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-03-2025, 09:28 AM
			
			
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			We're not getting Knies or anyone on that level. His contract will be less and less problematic with rising cap. Granted, a top-five or top-three pick in 26 would be juicy.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			07-03-2025, 09:28 AM
			
			
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			the good thing is that the FO apparently acknowledges where we are as a franchise and doesn't get blinded by a season in which the team overachieved. Listening to offers for Kadri is the right call ... and if someone enquires about Coleman, you have to listen as well.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-03-2025, 09:29 AM
			
			
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					Originally Posted by  Royle9
					 
				 
				I will add that both Friedman and Kypreo's have been saying the same for a few days, so there's definitely smoke. 
Toronto has no 2026 1st rounder 
Toronto has no 2027 1st rounder 
2028... so far away to even consider, but you would wager it would have to be part of it.
 
I dislike Cowan very much, I think he's a long shot to be an every day NHL'r 
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I am also not a fan of Cowan, reminds me of Steve Downie for some reason.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-03-2025, 09:30 AM
			
			
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			It'd be a miracle to get a first for Kadri even if they were available. 
 
Maybe Huby will ask for a trade too now.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			07-03-2025, 09:32 AM
			
			
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				It'd be a miracle to get a first for Kadri even if they were available. 
 
Maybe Huby will ask for a trade too now. 
			
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Kadri will get a first and more.  The way contracts are now he has a ton of value and he is productive. He fits Toronto's now window.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-03-2025, 09:33 AM
			
			
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			Why would the Leafs deal Knies when they just signed him to a contract.  
Can't see it happening unless Treliving has completely lost his mind. 
 
I think you'd have to lower expectations if Kadri is going back to the Leafs.  
and I dont think you'll get the 2028 1st either.  
 
A package around Cowen and a mid round pick would make most sense if the Leafs take on Kadri's contract. 
 
If money is an issue with TO, Calgary may have to take back a bad contract.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-03-2025, 09:33 AM
			
			
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			Brad needs to pay extra special price to get Kadri.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-03-2025, 09:35 AM
			
			
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			Do not like Cowan or anything the Leafs would have to offer unfortunately..
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-03-2025, 09:37 AM
			
			
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				Why would the Leafs deal Knies when they just signed him to a contract.  
Can't see it happening unless Treliving has completely lost his mind. 
 
I think you'd have to lower expectations if Kadri is going back to the Leafs.  
and I dont think you'll get the 2028 1st either.  
 
A package around Cowen and a mid round pick would make most sense if the Leafs take on Kadri's contract. 
 
If money is an issue with TO, Calgary may have to take back a bad contract. 
			
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If you can't get a first for him then you just move on.  Brad needs this more than Calgary does. No retention on Kadri.
 
To TOR 
Kadri 
2026 3rd
 
To CGY 
Laughton 
Cowan 
2028 1st
 
Laughton gets you a late 1st at the deadline if he doesn't want to stay. He is a great dressing room guy and would fill that void that Kadri leaves behind.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			07-03-2025, 09:39 AM
			
			
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			I think Cowan, Roy and a pick is decent value.  Kadri has been excellent, but it makes sense to make a move now to a potential contender. 
 
The Flames will need a Centre back, and hopefully set something up for the future with the Ras deal.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			07-03-2025, 09:39 AM
			
			
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				If you can't get a first for him then you just move on.  Brad needs this more than Calgary does. No retention on Kadri. 
 
To TOR 
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To CGY 
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I’d do that. Even if you replaced Domi for Laughton.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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