I don't understand what your point is here? The report repeats my points? What assumptions am I making here? Your defence for Seabrook is that because neither he nor the team made a statement directly saying Seabrook knew he shouldn't be accountable for saying nothing when the 3rd party report makes it very clear he knew?
Give your head a shake. Seabrook wasn't a child. He knew it was happening, knew it was wrong and did nothing to stop it. He was a player that members of the organization at all levels saw as a leader and he stood back and did nothing. Like Toews. Like Keith. Like all of them.
None of the players on the Blackhawks deserve the benefit of the doubt. They knew. We have multiple posts here and in previous threads on this topic with former players saying they all knew. They also admit to people attacking Beach about it.
Seabrook's failure isn't his alone, but it is his as much as it is all of theirs. Time and him being a Flame does not diminish his failure to act at a time when action was totally necessary.
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Ok, although I understand the point you are making Blaster, and the anger is causes is justified, but people are allowed to differ from your OPINION.
Seabrook clearly made a mistake by not saying anything or coming forward - I am sure we can mostly all agree on that.
However, is no one allowed to make a mistake (egregious or not) and learn from it, grow from it as a person and a leader, and do better? Calling someone a piece of s#*t it a little excessive and I am sorry but the rage culture of today is irritating and frankly unwarranted.
I, for one, hope that Seabrook has taken the opportunity to learn and grown from his (and his teammates) failure(s) and pass on the experience and life lessons from it to a new crop of players with our local team, so the mistake isn't repeated. This is a good opportunity for him to show that leadership and an ability to learn and grow - I welcome that opportunity for him with the Flames...
Ok, i am not arguing that what happened is wrong. The incident (and many others Graham James for example) are not acceptable, ever. No grey areas for sure. But…
1.) Do you know anyone associated with the Blackhawks incident personally? Any of the players or executives? Do you have first hand information that nothing has been done, outside of what the media has reported, or posted on social media, to rectify this?
2.) Do you know for certain that Seabrook has not made amends, or apologized personally to Beech? How do you know that in private he has not done anything to take accountability?
3.) Do you know for certain that Seabrook has not done any counselling, discussed with therapist(s) the situation or dealt with guilt? Do you know for certain he has just gone about his life with no regrets or shame? Do you know for a fact that he hasn’t learned and grown from this awful thing?
My guess is that your answer to all 3 questions would be no… that is my point. What they did was way wrong. However, without knowing the full facts, who are we to pass judgment on this person? Doom scrolling twitter isn’t conclusive evidence, nor full of facts. Without knowing any of the full details it is not up to us to pass judgement. I’ll be hopeful that the Flames and Conroy did their due diligence before hiring Seabrook.
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There's also the very human element of self preservation in instances. How many times have any one of us turned a blind eye to something we know is wrong out on the street or at work?
Doing the right thing can leave you left for dead socially. I know this for a fact. And when your own livelyhood is at stake sometimes the easiest rationale is to blend in with the crowd. It's not right, and on the wrong side of changing culture, but it is human nature not to rock your own boat without knowing the full consequences.
I'm not defending Seabrook specifically, or any other Blackhawks member during that time. Just saying it's a natural human reaction.
anyways, we are debating the virtues of sheltered gladiators who put their bodies on the line for millions of dollars. Their moral compass in general is far off of everyone else's.
If I shunned every pro athlete for not commiting a crime but knew one was happening, I wouldn't be watching sports.
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####in rage culture man. Can't believe we are still holding people that hid a sexual assault and got away with it accountable in 2025 smh.
Making a mistake and then making amends would be great. What amends have the Blackhawks made? They paid Beach to go away and got Bedard.
What was the punishment for the executives who covered it up? Time out?
What has happened to the players that heard about it and did nothing? Absolutely #### all.
The only thing we have left is making sure everyone knows and remembers exactly what these guys did and what they hid. No gray areas. No exceptions.
I trust Craig Conroy's judgement more than your rants. He has all the facts. You don't. Have some humility that you may not have all the facts and your viewpoint isn't the only valid one.
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I trust Craig Conroy's judgement more than your rants. He has all the facts. You don't. Have some humility that you may not have all the facts and your viewpoint isn't the only valid one.
What facts am I missing?
But please bend over backwards more to defend a guy that could have done the right thing and didn't because they work or play for your team now. This is the gross #### this forum regularly clowns on the Oilers organization for doing and when the chance to step up and speak out when your Organization does the same thing some of you fall in line to defend a guy who saw no recompense for ignoring a god damn sexual assault because, at best, the timing was inconvenient. That doesn't even get into the fact he was a leader on a team that mocked the victim after the fact, nor have I even broached the fact Seabrook may have been on of the guys doing the mocking.
My view point may not be the only valid one, but it is the correct and moral one. This is not a gray area. Brent Seabrook ignored sexual assault taking place against one of his younger teammates. He did not step forward when it was time to do the right thing. He did not step forward when he had a second chance to do the right thing. He still hasn't stepped forward now to explain what the Blackhawks organization did was wrong in hindsight. There are people worse than him in this world, but I would not want him any where near the younger players in my organization if I wanted to set an example for what a leader is.
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But please bend over backwards more to defend a guy that could have done the right thing and didn't because they work or play for your team now. This is the gross #### this forum regularly clowns on the Oilers organization for doing and when the chance to step up and speak out when your Organization does the same thing some of you fall in line to defend a guy who saw no recompense for ignoring a god damn sexual assault because, at best, the timing was inconvenient. That doesn't even get into the fact he was a leader on a team that mocked the victim after the fact, nor have I even broached the fact Seabrook may have been on of the guys doing the mocking.
Give it a rest. The high horse you're on is starting to get tired. Give the horse some food, water and let it rest..... get some yourself too.
But please bend over backwards more to defend a guy that could have done the right thing and didn't because they work or play for your team now. This is the gross #### this forum regularly clowns on the Oilers organization for doing and when the chance to step up and speak out when your Organization does the same thing some of you fall in line to defend a guy who saw no recompense for ignoring a god damn sexual assault because, at best, the timing was inconvenient. That doesn't even get into the fact he was a leader on a team that mocked the victim after the fact, nor have I even broached the fact Seabrook may have been on of the guys doing the mocking.
My view point may not be the only valid one, but it is the correct and moral one. This is not a gray area. Brent Seabrook ignored sexual assault taking place against one of his younger teammates. He did not step forward when it was time to do the right thing. He did not step forward when he had a second chance to do the right thing. He still hasn't stepped forward now to explain what the Blackhawks organization did was wrong in hindsight. There are people worse than him in this world, but I would not want him any where near the younger players in my organization if I wanted to set an example for what a leader is.
You should stop, outrage here only exists for the Blackhawks, Oilers, Toews, and anyone else not associated with the Flames.
Some people choose their favorite team over morality.
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I haven't decided exactly where I fall in this. But the one interesting thing I'll say, is if the Oilers made this exact move, this thread would likely be way more active. With a lot more people criticizing this signing.
It is just interesting that people don't care as much when it is their team signing someone involved in this.
Like everyone else on the Blackhawks in that timeframe, especially players and coaches in positions of leadership:
Seabrook is a piece of ####.
That the league keeps retreading people who helped cover up the sexual assault of, or endorsed/didn't prevent or even participated in the ridicule of a player's sexual assault makes me angry.
I don't know I mostly got 1st day on the job vibes. As in he doesn't have an exact plan of how to help the players' development yet, but he's looking to share pointers and tidbits from his own experience in the NHL.
It did seem as though his wife pretty much told him to get a job after 5 years of enjoying his retirement and staying at home, which I found kind of funny.
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I guess I should have known ... don't usually wade into things.
Personally I think people are jumping on comments without really reading them.
Not giving anyone a pass and wouldn't. If he knew and did nothing it's on him. If he actually added to the problem than it speaks to character.
I'm just not a fan of assuming the worst without getting detailed information, which I don't believe we have on Seabrook.
I'm sure I'm not the only person that's worked in large companies where there's been whispers about certain employees and everyone just carries on with their work because whispers are just that as management and HR is usually very tight lipped about these things. I think it's reasonable to expect many in Hawks management may have known about the incident but after that it's probably rumours and hearsay to employees outside of management. It's really impossible to say how much every single employee of the Hawks knew about what happened and where they were getting their information from so if people want to jump to conclusions they certainly can but their opinion is their own and not factual in any way.
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I very much doubt any fathers here would be singing the “rush to judgement” and “rage culture” songs if their son was sexually assault by an older man and his coworkers, who absolutely knew about it, stayed silent and called him a ###### instead of reporting it.
I very much doubt any fathers here would be singing the “rush to judgement” and “rage culture” songs if their son was sexually assault by an older man and his coworkers, who absolutely knew about it, stayed silent and called him a ###### instead of reporting it.
At least I’d hope.
I think that's a safe assumption.
Not seeing much counter to that though.
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