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Old 07-02-2025, 08:44 AM   #3461
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Came for rumours about Anderson and flames. Left with argument on Huberdeau.
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Old 07-02-2025, 08:49 AM   #3462
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I didn't like Huberdeau when the Flames first got him. But the guy has worked hard and adjusted. The contract isn't hurting the Flames at present.
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Old 07-02-2025, 08:52 AM   #3463
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Doesn't the response from fans above at least make you wonder if you're seeing things through a lens?
Oh, I definitely am. Everyone views things through their own lens. But just because the majority holds a certain opinion doesn’t mean they’re not seeing it through a biased one too.

And to be clear, this isn’t an indictment of who Huberdeau is as a person, this is strictly about who he’s been as a hockey player, and what that’s meant for the Flames.

Last season was his strongest with us, but let’s be honest, it still only grades out as an okay season for a top-line winger. Ryan Donato put up more production on a brutal Blackhawks team.

I’m sure Huby’s a decent guy off the ice, but these last three seasons have been some of the least enjoyable for me, and he’s been a big part of that. He was brought in, and paid, as a superstar. And while this past year might feel a bit better, let’s not ignore the recency bias. He wasn’t bringing it consistently the last few years. There were more than a few games where it looked like the controller disconnected. And sure, he wasn’t the only one, guys like Lindholm and Kadri have had their share of brutal stretches too, but the team has been in a downward spiral, and Huberdeau’s at the core of that.

I’ll be glad when this chapter is closed. It feels like a perfect symbol of the Flames as a whole lately, celebrating a $10.5M, 60-point winger because “he tries hard sometimes."

I digress though, we don't really need to rehash this. It is what it is at this point and he has been a good pro.

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Old 07-02-2025, 09:03 AM   #3464
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Oh, I definitely am. Everyone views things through their own lens. But just because the majority holds a certain opinion doesn’t mean they’re not seeing it through a biased one too.

And to be clear, this isn’t an indictment of who Huberdeau is as a person, this is strictly about who he’s been as a hockey player, and what that’s meant for the Flames.

Last season was his strongest with us, but let’s be honest, it still only grades out as an okay season for a top-line winger. Ryan Donato put up more production on a brutal Blackhawks team.

I’m sure Huby’s a decent guy off the ice, but these last three seasons have been some of the least enjoyable for me, and he’s been a big part of that. He was brought in, and paid, as a superstar. And while this past year might feel a bit better, let’s not ignore the recency bias. He wasn’t bringing it consistently the last few years. There were more than a few games where it looked like the controller disconnected. And sure, he wasn’t the only one, guys like Lindholm and Kadri have had their share of brutal stretches too, but the team has been in a downward spiral, and Huberdeau’s at the core of that.

I’ll be glad when this chapter is closed. It feels like a perfect symbol of the Flames as a whole lately, celebrating a $10.5M, 60-point winger because “he tries hard sometimes."

I digress though, we don't really need to rehash this. It is what it is at this point and he has been a good pro.
Appreciate the post, context is often lost in the world of electronic snippets. Not that you owe anyone an explanation as to why you feel a certain way, but your opinion is understandable.

I think we would agree that this decision and that whole “Summer of Brad” was ill fated from conception, but from my perspective this isn’t a Huberdeau thing, it’s more a team, or possibly Treliving thing.
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Old 07-02-2025, 09:07 AM   #3465
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Oh, I definitely am. Everyone views things through their own lens. But just because the majority holds a certain opinion doesn’t mean they’re not seeing it through a biased one too.

And to be clear, this isn’t an indictment of who Huberdeau is as a person, this is strictly about who he’s been as a hockey player, and what that’s meant for the Flames.

Last season was his strongest with us, but let’s be honest, it still only grades out as an okay season for a top-line winger. Ryan Donato put up more production on a brutal Blackhawks team.

I’m sure Huby’s a decent guy off the ice, but these last three seasons have been some of the least enjoyable for me, and he’s been a big part of that. He was brought in, and paid, as a superstar. And while this past year might feel a bit better, let’s not ignore the recency bias. He wasn’t bringing it consistently the last few years. There were more than a few games where it looked like the controller disconnected. And sure, he wasn’t the only one, guys like Lindholm and Kadri have had their share of brutal stretches too, but the team has been in a downward spiral, and Huberdeau’s at the core of that.

I’ll be glad when this chapter is closed. It feels like a perfect symbol of the Flames as a whole lately, celebrating a $10.5M, 60-point winger because “he tries hard sometimes."

I digress though, we don't really need to rehash this. It is what it is at this point and he has been a good pro.
And I'm not trying to make you see you're wrong.

Just that you could be.

If a majority sees something differently probably healthy to take another look.
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Old 07-02-2025, 09:16 AM   #3466
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based on some of the comments on Huberdeau and Bahl I really question if some posters even watch the games or just read The Athletic. Helps me to decide which opinions to skip over.
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Old 07-02-2025, 09:27 AM   #3467
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Came for rumours about Anderson and flames. Left with argument on Huberdeau.
"Slowly Progressing"

Back to the Huberdeau arguments.
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Old 07-02-2025, 09:35 AM   #3468
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I still think the best deal for Rasmus will be with the Stars. Make it happen, CC!
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Old 07-02-2025, 09:42 AM   #3469
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I don't think there is a lack of effort with Huberdeau but to say he had a terrific season is really reaching. Like the bottom has fallen off the standards at that point.
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Old 07-02-2025, 09:43 AM   #3470
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The tough part with these teams that would be a good fit for Andersson is that they are all depleted when it comes to 1st round picks. Vegas does not have a 2026 1st round pick. Dallas does not have a 2026 1st round pick. Toronto does not have a 2026 1st round pick. I’m fine with getting a 2027 1st round pick instead but, if it’s that far out, I would hope that means they get a decent prospect back in return and the protection on the pick is less limited (i.e. top 5 protected instead of top 10 protected).
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Old 07-02-2025, 09:43 AM   #3471
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What is “negative compete level”?
I’ve seen Huberdeau work his ass off, and do all he was asked to do.
Maybe he worked so hard it caused an integer overflow into a negative number.
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Old 07-02-2025, 09:59 AM   #3472
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I'd love to know the actual dialogue with the players.

One one hand Conroy was loyal to their season and didn't move out assets at the deadline.

But ...

He took $20M of cap space into last season
He stood pat on the acquisition side of the trade deadline
He sat out Canada Day yesterday.
He's looking to make an asset management move with Andersson.

Are they hearing "if you're in it and we don't have UFAs expiring I'll let you see it through, but I'm not adding any contracts that don't fit our future window, and we are in asset management mode"?

You hear about Kadri wanting to stay and believing in the direction, but at his age how can that be so with the evidence leaning more torwards retool/rebuild then going for it?

Even a belief in a pivot this summer after just missing the playoffs last year would bring some hope to veteran players, but then doing nothing yesterday and clearly moving Andersson means a step back.
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I'd love to know the actual dialogue with the players.

One one hand Conroy was loyal to their season and didn't move out assets at the deadline.

But ...

He took $20M of cap space into last season
He stood pat on the acquisition side of the trade deadline
He sat out Canada Day yesterday.
He's looking to make an asset management move with Andersson.

Are they hearing "if you're in it and we don't have UFAs expiring I'll let you see it through, but I'm not adding any contracts that don't fit our future window, and we are in asset management mode"?

You hear about Kadri wanting to stay and believing in the direction, but at his age how can that be so with the evidence leaning more torwards retool/rebuild then going for it?

Even a belief in a pivot this summer after just missing the playoffs last year would bring some hope to veteran players, but then doing nothing yesterday and clearly moving Andersson means a step back.
Kadri is harder to read because he already has a cup. He could just be at a point in his life where he is happy in Calgary.

The Flames sure aren’t doing anything to be competitive so maybe we see the vets that can be moved ask out this offseason.
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Old 07-02-2025, 10:21 AM   #3474
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^ I'm pretty sure the vets knew what they signed up for. Perhaps Conroy is selling the vets on the kids, and the great record the team had down the stretch. After all, the vets saw Wolf last year, and the skill set Parekh brings. Then you have Coronato, Zary, Klapka, Pospisil and even Frost, Sharangovich, Farabee and Bahl all of whom can/should take another step.

The Flames needed 1 more point to make the playoffs last year, and gained 15 points more than the previous year, while staying the course, so there's still room for improvement. It also seemed like a really fun team/locker-room to be a part of, despite the lack of post-season success.

Finally, I actually think there's a good chance that the Flames will make another trade for a 23-26 player that fits Conroy's vision after Andersson gets traded.
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Old 07-02-2025, 10:58 AM   #3475
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Ehlers expected to make his decision soon (today)
Byram situation slowly unfolding, I wouldn't expect it to go too much longer.
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Ehlers expected to make his decision soon (today)
Byram situation slowly unfolding, I wouldn't expect it to go too much longer.
I assume the Leddy-on-waivers thing means that he is going to StL. Any word there?
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Byram situation slowly unfolding, I wouldn't expect it to go too much longer.
Good to hear, I'm gonna need to get back to work at some point!
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Old 07-02-2025, 11:00 AM   #3478
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Ehlers expected to make his decision soon (today)
Byram situation slowly unfolding, I wouldn't expect it to go too much longer.
What do you think our probability is to land him, Royle?

Also - anything else on Ras or other vets? Appreciate you guys' info!
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Old 07-02-2025, 11:01 AM   #3479
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Dreger just claimed that Flames were the frontrunners for K'Andre Miller until Carolina threatened to offer sheet him, forcing NYR to focus on sending him there.
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I think the Flames land Byram. And then they're going to move Razz tooo....( Picks a name out of a hat) Colorado, for Necas because Ehlers will sign there.
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