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Old 06-30-2025, 05:46 PM   #441
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If it gets it over with I’d do this but it better be unprotected
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Old 06-30-2025, 05:47 PM   #442
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Norbert, Ihs-Wozniak, and a cap dump for Anderson and get it over with
Also they'd have to be contractually obligated to pay for his name-bars for the length of his term in Calgary.

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Old 06-30-2025, 05:47 PM   #443
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Would Vegas have to clear cap space to acquire and get an extension on Ras?
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Old 06-30-2025, 05:48 PM   #444
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It’s incredibly selfish to choose where you want to live?

Who knew?

UFA’s do it all the time.

There is absolutely no reason why he should put the needs of the Flames ahead of his personal needs.
Yup and the Flames owe nothing to the player to trade him where he wants to sign. They can do what they want with the asset and if he plays hardball then I play hardball back.

No point in taking a garbage return from Vegas. Trade him wherever/whenever and who cares at this point if he is showcased for a trade or not. Let him sign a 6 year deal wherever he wants next year instead of 8 now.

IF he is being difficult to deal with the org can be difficult to deal with moving forward as well. They should do what is best for the flames and that is playing young players and giving them the minutes and opportunities. If Andersson loses some value next summer because of it then so be it.
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His value hasn't really changed in the last year. It does change dramatically tomorrow when the calendar rolls over on all NHL contracts and he is finally able to sign an extension.

Any team who wants to secure a new #1RD has a single target, Andersson. He can be had for a 1 year deal that is super cap friendly or a 9 year deal that has 1 year of tiny cap hit and 8 years of top pair dollars.

I doubt his value has ever been higher than it will be tomorrow. He is the only guy available with 9 or 10 teams looking to acquire him. This is good for the Flames and it is good for him.
His value comes from being top 4 D with a team friendly contract. 2 years of a team friendly deal is worth more then 1 year of a team friendly deal.

Yes, if he comes with an 8 year extension that increases his value. But that requires Andersson to agree to the extension, which reportedly (and understandably) he isn't.
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Old 06-30-2025, 05:52 PM   #446
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Dorofeyev and Connolly for me. I’m not getting any younger. People really want 2027 picks? I feel like if any of them are low and are projects, were into 2030 before we realize a 3rd or 2nd line talent at best..
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Yup and the Flames owe nothing to the player to trade him where he wants to sign. They can do what they want with the asset and if he plays hardball then I play hardball back.

No point in taking a garbage return from Vegas. Trade him wherever/whenever and who cares at this point if he is showcased for a trade or not. Let him sign a 6 year deal wherever he wants next year instead of 8 now.

IF he is being difficult to deal with the org can be difficult to deal with moving forward as well. They should do what is best for the flames and that is playing young players and giving them the minutes and opportunities. If Andersson loses some value next summer because of it then so be it.
I agree. If he plays hardball and says, Vegas. The Flames need to play hardball, get the 6-team NT list, and trade Andersson for the biggest return they can get from the other 25 teams. I think there should be a huge market with the potential UFAs coming off the market.
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Would Vegas have to clear cap space to acquire and get an extension on Ras?
That's the following year's LTIR problem.
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Dorofeyev and Connolly for me. I’m not getting any younger. People really want 2027 picks? I feel like if any of them are low and are projects, were into 2030 before we realize a 3rd or 2nd line talent at best..
You can use picks in trade up scenarios it to jump on a player who suddenly becomes available.
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Old 06-30-2025, 06:06 PM   #450
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I’m fine with 2027 and 2028 first round picks. They are still valuable now and only gain value over the next 2 years. I doubt conroy is okpicks that far out though.

My bigger issue is making Vegas better this year hurts the 2026 pick. Because of that, conroy should charge Vegas extra - to the point I doubt they pay the price.

Focus on the rental market.

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Old 06-30-2025, 06:06 PM   #451
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Considering they are without pieteangelo, do we really wanna sabatoge what could be a nice pick from the Hanifin trade by handing a RHD like Rasmus over to them?
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Old 06-30-2025, 06:06 PM   #452
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Did he not learn from the Lindholm trade, either? Same situation, but got a very solid return.
Conroy got a good return for an underperforming trade deadline Lindholm. But he likely could have got more earlier.

Its a trend in Calgary that is fair to be concerned about. The Flames try and fail to sign their pending free agents. Then they trade them late for less value then they could have got in an earlier trade.

We are rebuilding. Stop trying to extend veterans unless its clear they want to be here. Stop prioritizing how good we will be next year and trade them when you can maximize value.
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Old 06-30-2025, 06:08 PM   #453
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It’s incredibly selfish to choose where you want to live?

Who knew?

UFA’s do it all the time.

There is absolutely no reason why he should put the needs of the Flames ahead of his personal needs.
Well, I'd argue giving us ONE option is pretty selfish. Seriously!? Not one single city outside of Vegas he's willing to go to? Throw us a bone here.
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I know they play different positions and it's a different year, but if a player like Brock Nelson can return a 1st and Calum Ritchie as a rental with a NTC at the deadline, Andersson should be able to generate just as good of a return. Add in the fact that Conroy can sell Andersson as a "full year rental" instead of just a 1 month rental, I'm hopeful that we can still get good value.

No need to trade him to Vegas just because he wants to sign there. #### him. Vegas doesn't have the assets to make it a good return for us.
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I’m fine with 2027 and 2028 first round picks. They are still valuable now and only gain value over the next 2 years. I doubt conroy is okpicks that far out though.

My bigger issue is making Vegas better this year hurts the 2026 pick. Because of that, conroy should charge Vegas extra - to the point I doubt they pay the price.

Focus on the rental market.

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Amen!

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Well, I'd argue giving us ONE option is pretty selfish. Seriously!? Not one single city outside of Vegas he's willing to go to? Throw us a bone here.
He can't and isnt blocking a trade to anywhere except Vegas. But he is refusing to sign an 8 year contract extension for anywhere except Vegas. Being selective on signing a max term deal a year before his current contract expires is perfectly fair.
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I don’t get why the flames need to move all these top 4 d for late firsts and the teams 7th best prospect. The Hannafin trade was super weak. Can’t let them get away with that again. Hold him and trade him as a rental. If Petrangelo is out too bad pay up, bidding starts at the deadline if you can’t pay up.
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He can't and isnt blocking a trade to anywhere except Vegas. But he is refusing to sign an 8 year contract extension for anywhere except Vegas. Being selective on signing a max term deal a year before his current contract expires is perfectly fair.
That is totally fair, but the rumor was he wouldn't even listen to what LA wanted to offer for a long term deal. That limits who may be willing to trade for him and think they can sign him over the course of the year.

Additionally it just seems weird to not listen. Maybe it's BS.
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