[Rumour] LeBrun: As of right now, sounds like Andersson only wants to sign extension with VGK

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by CKPThunder

If this report is true, can’t the Flames be equally as petty? Wait until July 1 and look at Rasmus new updated NTC list and then talk with LA about a deal, if Kings aren’t on the list, with an extension. If LA is good with 8 years @8.5M then re-sign Rasmus at that amount and trade him to the Kings. This would blow any goodwill and possibly cause future players to insist on a full NMC with Flames but it would be petty and ruthless. This hinges on Kings offer truly being a whopper which I also have my doubts about.

Something like this can be done correct?

Andersson can't be forced into signing that contract.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Why does this only work one way? You and Jiri both love to tell people they shouldn’t have strong feelings and/or shouldn’t be fans/ find another team/ get another hobby if you’re frustrated with the direction of the team and decide to share that on a discussion board.

We all have stress and things going on in our lives outside of this silly little website. But only one side of this discussion seems to think they should be allowed to participate without having their legitimacy as fans brought into question or mocked as being “outraged” when the discussion is actually super tame by hockey fan standards.

You tried to put people on blast for their opinion and got called out on it. Sorry you’re not feeling well and I do hope you feel better soon, but maybe just take the L and calm down a bit.

I 100% agree with this post. Everyone should be allowed to have an opinion on these message boards. The same user called me delusional and basically an idiot yesterday for saying the Flames have a history of thinking short term and not long term with regards to players and contracts.

The irony of this Andersson thing coming out one day after I got torn apart for saying we always think short term is not lost on me.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Craig and Rasmus were on good terms going into the offseason, sounding like that's not the case anymore.

Wow, yikes. That's super unfortunate.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by CKPThunder

If this report is true, can’t the Flames be equally as petty? Wait until July 1 and look at Rasmus new updated NTC list and then talk with LA about a deal, if Kings aren’t on the list, with an extension. If LA is good with 8 years @8.5M then re-sign Rasmus at that amount and trade him to the Kings. This would blow any goodwill and possibly cause future players to insist on a full NMC with Flames but it would be petty and ruthless. This hinges on Kings offer truly being a whopper which I also have my doubts about.

Something like this can be done correct?

You are assuming that Ras will sign the new contract with the Flames and that it does not contain a NMC.

[saillias]

Maybe Vegas can trade Hertl or whoever else is their next cap dump on the chopping block for a 1st, and then turn around and trade us a couple assets of value. Otherwise he's going to have to uh, not ONLY accept a trade to Vegas, he does not have the contractual right to demand that.

The problem is Rasmus Andersson has been playing pretty bad and the toxicity of the situation, perhaps hometown boos, might affect his play negatively even further. I could see this ending badly.

[HighLifeMan]

Dorovyev could be an option now with Marner there but we really don't need more wingers. He would at the very least be a valuable young asset to have.

[Redrum]

Vegas should be off the table anyway, we don't want them to be better. Screw his 8 years.

[Locke]

Maybe the Vegas offer for Raz was hotel upgrades for the length of his contract and some complimentary Casino Chips?

[Calgary Highlander]

The Markstrom situation went sideways and Craig did very well in that deal.

Conroy isn’t 0/1, he’s 1/2 (arguably, as the 2026 VGK selection is unknown to this point).

We’ll have to see how this plays out between now and the deadline.

[Bunk]

I was on the Trade Rasmus at the deadline team. I was assured it was far more important to honour this team's effort and give them a chance to make the playoffs.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

These guys are just re-signing in Columbus, so I'm not sure it changes a ton. That was likely always CBJ preferred option to not give up more assets.

When I look at the market I think it goes:

Extension Possible:
Vegas
Los Angeles
Carolina
Tampa Bay

Maybe an Extension:
Detroit (Lidstrom was his favourite player)
Boston
San Jose
Utah

Pure Rental:
Buffalo

Something like that. I do think the Marner signing and cap pressure will make things tougher for Vegas, which might force him to be a bit more open minded.

Interesting, I do not have the Lightning on my list...

Building teams with good pieces:
- Red Wings - They need a RD upgrade but it likely doesn't work as we would want Danielson and they do not want to give him up, also Andersson reportedly won't extend there.
- Mammoth could be a great fit as they have lots of good young Cs (more than roster spots for them to play in) and a need for a #1RD so they can compete this year. No rumours yet about Andersson talking extension or blocking it.
- Sharks also has a lot of young Cs and is desperate for several D upgrades and depth as they prepare to circle the drain for another season. With the D market disappearing they would not be able to get any D support to help Andersson. He is rumoured to no want to extend there but you have to think that they will be cup contenders within 8 years.
- NYR doesn't make sense, they need LD support if Miller leaves.. and if they are chasing Andersson, they do not have assets that Conroy would get excited about

Contenders with little to offer:
- Stars need to get from the Conference finals to Cup contention and RD is a weakness. Cap constraints are huge here which makes Andersson their only choice but outside of Johnston they have nothing the Flames need
- Hurricanes do need to get younger with their RD and their depth is getting questionable but they are unlikely to offer the one piece the Flames want
- Leafs have nothing of interest
- Vegas has nothing to offer and it would be self-sabotaging for the Flames to help Vegas at all next season

Out of contention:
- Blue Jackets running back last year’s D group
- LAK was in the mix?? This wasn’t even in the rumours until the story broke that Andersson wouldn’t go there.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

How many teams trade guys with two years left on their contracts (unless it's for a better player)?

How many GMs make the best choices for every player and situation with the absolute perfection that many people on this board are expecting from Craig Conroy.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

How many teams trade guys with two years left on their contracts (unless it's for a better player)?

That's what I've been thinking. So many people seem convinced they should have moved him last year for a huge return, but how often does that sort of thing happen?

I haven't done a deep dive, but it seems to me that teams overpay for players at the deadline all the time, but players with term tend to get moved for other players with term.



I'd be curious to see if anyone has done an analysis into when teams get the best return on trades.

• Mid-season (incl. deadline) in the final year of player's contract before UFA.
• Mid-season (incl. deadline) when the player has at least one more season on his contract (or is a pending RFA).
• Off-season prior to the player's final year of his contract before UFA.
• Off-season when the player has more than one season left on his contract.

Also, how much of a premium do teams pay to acquire a player who is willing to sign a long-term extension after the trade?

[Bubba17]

Conroy should be on the phone right now to Detroit. Their D looks worse than the Oilers.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Bunk

I was on the Trade Rasmus at the deadline team. I was assured it was far more important to honour this team's effort and give them a chance to make the playoffs.

I think there is a bit of a group think on here at times, regarding winning culture and being super nice to all the vets, no matter what.

The reality is a lot of players don't care how nice your organization is, they want to play for a winner. Look how fast Vegas punted a few of their players after winning a cup. And players around the league are still begging to join that team. Look at how mean Florida was to Huberdeau and now how successful they are. Nobody cares that the team did wrong by Huberdeau, they are now a contender and players are signing there for half of what they are worth on the open market.

[manwiches]

Originally Posted by getbak

That's what I've been thinking. So many people seem convinced they should have moved him last year for a huge return, but how often does that sort of thing happen?



I haven't done a deep dive, but it seems to me that teams overpay for players at the deadline all the time, but players with term tend to get moved for other players with term.







I'd be curious to see if anyone has done an analysis into when teams get the best return on trades.

• Mid-season (incl. deadline) in the final year of player's contract before UFA.
  
• Mid-season (incl. deadline) when the player has at least one more season on his contract (or is a pending RFA).
  
• Off-season prior to the player's final year of his contract before UFA.
  
• Off-season when the player has more than one season left on his contract.
  

Also, how much of a premium do teams pay to acquire a player who is willing to sign a long-term extension after the trade?

Said it earlier, but there are lot of revisionist histories going on here. There might have been a couple, but the good majority of posters here were not shouting for Anderson to be traded last year. Stop pretending like you were GM extraordinaire.

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[Gugstanley]

From Anderson's of view he wants as little as possible going back to the Flames. Why would he want to weaken the team he goes too?

Teams like Vegas will never care about draft picks when they can sign any free agent they want.

[Matty81]

Rasmus is being an idiot... how do narrow your own market to one tean, Vegas can lowball him with a contract offer and he be leaving money on the table nevermind that they're not even that great and the oilers have curb stomped them 2 years running. There are plenty of other nice places to live with good teams

[BaconGuy]

Originally Posted by CKPThunder

If this report is true, can’t the Flames be equally as petty? Wait until July 1 and look at Rasmus new updated NTC list and then talk with LA about a deal, if Kings aren’t on the list, with an extension. If LA is good with 8 years @8.5M then re-sign Rasmus at that amount and trade him to the Kings. This would blow any goodwill and possibly cause future players to insist on a full NMC with Flames but it would be petty and ruthless. This hinges on Kings offer truly being a whopper which I also have my doubts about.

Something like this can be done correct?

Me thinks Rasmus will see right through that and not sign. That’s also a way to get a bad reputation which could drastically affect any future players Calgary signs.

Conroy has to take the high road here

[CKPThunder]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

You are assuming that Ras will sign the new contract with the Flames and that it does not contain a NMC.

I'm going off what I remember Royale mentioned as what the initial asks were from both sides. Regardless of that, if Rasmus wants 8 years at 9M then ask LA if they are good with that.

As for the NMC, that wouldn't come into play until July 1, 2026. This season he still has a 6 team NTC list as far as I can tell.