[News] Flames 2025 Prospect Development camp July 2 to July 6

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

1-10 do the flames have the best prospect base ?

No because the top end matters the most. And the Flames have one elite prospects while several teams have 2-3.

Probably would be one of:

Sharks: Dickinson, Misa, Askarov (if not graduated). I assume Smith is considered graduated.

Montreal: Demidov, Reinbacher, Fowler, Hage. not having a 1st this year hurts them though, but it's an impressive group.

Chicago: Frondell, Levshunov, Korchinski. Drops off after that.

Might be Utah actually: Iginla, Simashev, But, and now you add Desnoyers

I think overall though it's still San Jose.

Calgary was 13th last year in Wheeler's ranking. And Wofl/Coronato already were considered graduated. So you take that group, led by Parekh who probably has risen in the rakings himself since, and add this year's draft, they could now be in the top 10. I will guess #9.

[dammage79]

No scrimmage and no Penticton. This offseason is gonna be boring AF. And we won't even see most of this year's draft crop training camp or rookie camp.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by dammage79

No scrimmage and no Penticton. This offseason is gonna be boring AF. And we won't even see most of this year's draft crop training camp or rookie camp.

NHL season should shift forward a month.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

No because the top end matters the most. And the Flames have one elite prospects while several teams have 2-3.

Probably would be one of:

Sharks: Dickinson, Misa, Askarov (if not graduated). I assume Smith is considered graduated.

Montreal: Demidov, Reinbacher, Fowler, Hage. not having a 1st this year hurts them though, but it's an impressive group.

Chicago: Frondell, Levshunov, Korchinski. Drops off after that.

Might be Utah actually: Iginla, Simashev, But, and now you add Desnoyers

I think overall though it's still San Jose.

Calgary was 13th last year in Wheeler's ranking. And Wofl/Coronato already were considered graduated. So you take that group, led by Parekh who probably has risen in the rakings himself since, and add this year's draft, they could now be in the top 10. I will guess #9.

To add to Calgary's potential rise in the standings, was just how good almost every prospect drafted last season performed, along with Parekh as you mentioned already. I am definitely interested to see the net change in Calgary's rankings.



One thing that always grinds my gears about these lists, however, is graduating prospects. Advantage is given to teams with prospects that take longer to develop. Having Montreal with Reinbacher listed as a prospect, but not San Jose with Celebrini and Smith seems wrong. Ok, so comparing defencemen to forwards here, with defencemen that take longer. Chicago doesn't have Bedard counting any longer, but Detroit has Danielson - same draft, and they are both centers selected 8 picks apart. Bedard is the much more valuable franchise-altering player, but on these lists, Detroit would rank higher. No list is perfect I guess, but I really do prefer the "23 and under" or "25 and under" lists as a better gauge of how strong a team is trending to be in the next few years.


I am still very interested to see the lists, even after complaining! lol

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

To add to Calgary's potential rise in the standings, was just how good almost every prospect drafted last season performed, along with Parekh as you mentioned already. I am definitely interested to see the net change in Calgary's rankings.



One thing that always grinds my gears about these lists, however, is graduating prospects. Advantage is given to teams with prospects that take longer to develop. Having Montreal with Reinbacher listed as a prospect, but not San Jose with Celebrini and Smith seems wrong. Ok, so comparing defencemen to forwards here, with defencemen that take longer. Chicago doesn't have Bedard counting any longer, but Detroit has Danielson - same draft, and they are both centers selected 8 picks apart. Bedard is the much more valuable franchise-altering player, but on these lists, Detroit would rank higher. No list is perfect I guess, but I really do prefer the "23 and under" or "25 and under" lists as a better gauge of how strong a team is trending to be in the next few years.


I am still very interested to see the lists, even after complaining! lol

There are other rankings for best under 23 and such too.

[Enoch Root]

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[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

There are other rankings for best under 23 and such too.

Yep, and I love those. Just complaining, that's all.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Yep, and I love those. Just complaining, that's all.

You're not complaining, its a valid point. I would agree the under 23 lists are a better gauge on young talent a team has.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

You're not complaining, its a valid point. I would agree the under 23 lists are a better gauge on young talent a team has.

I like the atheltic’s top prospect lists as it gives a good snapshot of the talent that teams have who aren’t in the nhl. It’s hard to stay on top of the non nhl prospect pools for each team, and these lists give a good snapshot of how players are doing who I rarely hear about because they’re not in the NHL.

I agree though that it’s not really a good picture of each team’s youth movement.

I don’t think the Flames will move up too much this year because most teams that were above the flames in the January rankings picked ahead of the flames in this draft, and these lists are heavily weighted towards top of the draft A level prospects, even though I think Wheeler will have a lot of praise for the depth of the Flames’ system. They’ll probably land at 11 or 12.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Goriders

Wonder if the Flames are going to try and do something similar to the Penticton tournament this year. Sucks that Vancouver pulled out of that one.

I think it was less Vancouver and more another western team. I recall Vancouver saying they didn't get a commitment from a western team so they pivoted. I think that western team was Edmonton because they don't have any prospects and the last few years have sent a bunch of undrafted invites.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dammage79

No scrimmage and no Penticton. This offseason is gonna be boring AF. And we won't even see most of this year's draft crop training camp or rookie camp.

I wonder if we see more undrafted invitees than we have in the past.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

I like the atheltic’s top prospect lists as it gives a good snapshot of the talent that teams have who aren’t in the nhl. It’s hard to stay on top of the non nhl prospect pools for each team, and these lists give a good snapshot of how players are doing who I rarely hear about because they’re not in the NHL.

I agree though that it’s not really a good picture of each team’s youth movement.

I don’t think the Flames will move up too much this year because most teams that were above the flames in the January rankings picked ahead of the flames in this draft, and these lists are heavily weighted towards top of the draft A level prospects, even though I think Wheeler will have a lot of praise for the depth of the Flames’ system. They’ll probably land at 11 or 12.

Dobber prospects is another great tool to get an idea of a team's prospect pool. They're really high on Potter's upside.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I think it was less Vancouver and more another western team. I recall Vancouver saying they didn't get a commitment from a western team so they pivoted. I think that western team was Edmonton because they don't have any prospects and the last few years have sent a bunch of undrafted invites.

Thanks edmonton

[Royle9]

Bummer about the scrimmage.
But I am planning to be there for some of these still

[Rick M.]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Bummer about the scrimmage.
But I am planning to be there for some of these still

I look foreward to anything you can share, Royle.

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Originally Posted by Tacoman

Looks like no camp invites this year. Also no scrimmage. Just some skills and skating sessions and a bunch of team building in the mountains.

Source?

[Ring of Fire]

Any idea on what time the on ice sessions are scheduled and when roster will be released?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

To add to Calgary's potential rise in the standings, was just how good almost every prospect drafted last season performed, along with Parekh as you mentioned already. I am definitely interested to see the net change in Calgary's rankings.



One thing that always grinds my gears about these lists, however, is graduating prospects. Advantage is given to teams with prospects that take longer to develop. Having Montreal with Reinbacher listed as a prospect, but not San Jose with Celebrini and Smith seems wrong. Ok, so comparing defencemen to forwards here, with defencemen that take longer. Chicago doesn't have Bedard counting any longer, but Detroit has Danielson - same draft, and they are both centers selected 8 picks apart. Bedard is the much more valuable franchise-altering player, but on these lists, Detroit would rank higher. No list is perfect I guess, but I really do prefer the "23 and under" or "25 and under" lists as a better gauge of how strong a team is trending to be in the next few years.


I am still very interested to see the lists, even after complaining! lol

I think the folks that put these together struggle with that too. That's why you see others do rankings based on every player in the org 23 years or under.

Each is valid.

I prefer to be looking at the coming pipeline focused on prospects only, so I don't mind the graduation element, as long as its consistent.

But it's not necessarily fully capturing "which teams have the best future" because obviously young impct NHLers are extremely valuable.

[Tacoman]

Very limited on-ice sessions and they are just in groups of three players. Carter is with Reschny and Potter so that will be fun. Take the youngsters under his wing…and abuse them for going to second tier programs like ASU and NoDak!!

[looooob]

^^ smart to get the Calgary kid right in there, there is some E=NG deprogramming that needs to occur stat