06-29-2025, 12:50 PM
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#2841
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.
Funny thing is with the ‘if your realistic window is not 2-3 years then trade’m’ Florida would have traded Barkov years ago.
But I’m sure there is an asterisk there.
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Barkov is still 29.
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06-29-2025, 12:55 PM
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#2842
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Boca Raton, FL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhett44
I have a hard time articulating my point sometimes. But the main thing is just that vet players shouldn't be untouchable, especially when you're rebuilding.
I have no problem with you as a poster so I don't want to argue with you. Have a good day.
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And I think the point everyone has said back to this over and over again is that they clearly are NOT untouchable, as there has been a mountain of evidence over the past few seasons that vets are getting moved over being retained, and yes, they are clearly rebuilding.
I'm not sure what you're not understanding given the evidence here.
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06-29-2025, 12:59 PM
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#2843
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Cleveland, OH (Grew up in Calgary)
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I'm prepared for an underwhelming return for Andersson. Might as well get the best that you can if Ras controls the cards as far as who he'll extend with
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06-29-2025, 01:06 PM
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#2844
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
My opinion right now is this has to be completed this Summer (and ideally as teams sort their rosters out in the next 2 days).
Learn from the Hanifin situation, and put those learnings into action.
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Yep. That’s my view. Just take the best deal you can get before training camp and move on.
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06-29-2025, 01:09 PM
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#2845
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.
If it’s your strategy to keep trading players with 2-3 years left in their contracts as a previous poster suggested, then yeah it is. You’ll never get anywhere because you’ll never develop a team. Just a bunch of nomads.
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I think this really depends on the situation. Vegas traded plenty of players with 2+ years left since they joined the league - Alex Tuch( 5 yrs), Reilly Smith(2 yrs), Nate Schmidt(5 yrs), Colin Miller(3 yrs), Tomas Tatar(3yrs).
I realize that Calgary isn't Vegas. That said, if a team decides it's time to tear it down or retool, then it would make sense to define your future core, and move the rest of the players, even if they have more than 1 year remaining on their contracts.
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06-29-2025, 01:11 PM
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#2846
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan
And I think the point everyone has said back to this over and over again is that they clearly are NOT untouchable, as there has been a mountain of evidence over the past few seasons that vets are getting moved over being retained, and yes, they are clearly rebuilding.
I'm not sure what you're not understanding given the evidence here.
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They tried to keep them all minus Zadorov and Toffoli
You’re on both sides of the fence here. With a team like Florida who is aggressive and a team like Calgary who seems to be soft with players emotions and the locker room.
Last edited by Paulie Walnuts; 06-29-2025 at 01:13 PM.
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06-29-2025, 01:13 PM
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#2847
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gvitaly
I think this really depends on the situation. Vegas traded plenty of players with 2+ years left since they joined the league - Alex Tuch( 5 yrs), Reilly Smith(2 yrs), Nate Schmidt(5 yrs), Colin Miller(3 yrs), Tomas Tatar(3yrs).
I realize that Calgary isn't Vegas. That said, if a team decides it's time to tear it down or retool, then it would make sense to define your future core, and move the rest of the players, even if they have more than 1 year remaining on their contracts.
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Different situations, though.
Tuch was traded in the Eichel trade. Tatar was traded in the Pacioretty trade. Both were traded to get a better asset back.
Smith, Schmidt, and Miller were all traded for salary cap reasons, essentially, iirc.
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06-29-2025, 01:14 PM
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#2848
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All I can get
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The Ducks sign Ville Husso.... one more goalie off the table.
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06-29-2025, 01:15 PM
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#2849
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Franchise Player
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I am not worried still. Though I do think that the best time to trade Andersson was last off-season (or the deadline right before then), it is what it is. Flames should still be able to extract fair value here.
Andersson and Conroy get along well. I don't think Andersson is going to hold a gun to Conroy's head, nor do I believe Conroy is going to stamp his foot down and walk Andersson to UFA and ensure Andersson gets screwed-out of 2 years of his biggest contract for his career. Neither of those scenarios are likely to happen.
If I am a team that wants Andersson, my first move is to sign UFA Mangiapane and give him a 2-3 year deal. They have been playing together since junior, and are really tight. I still think the biggest obstacle to Andersson's re-signing is Ekblad. Once Ekblad's future is determined (re-signing in Florida, or signs elsewhere), then that's probably when other teams get serious on Andersson. He is the most comparable - people not only like how these players play (skill level), but it is also about their leadership and what they can provide to the team. Byram and Provorov aren't comps to Andersson IMO. Ekblad is the first domino, then it will be Andersson. Let's just do our best not to sit in a corner rocking back and forth scratching oureselves about it. It will get done. Conroy doesn't walk anyone of value to UFA, and he hasn't made a bad deal yet.
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06-29-2025, 01:16 PM
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#2850
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop
The Ducks sign Ville Husso.... one more goalie off the table.
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Not necessarily. The Ducks have Dostal, Husso, and Mrazek. And Husso has spent time in the AHL.
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06-29-2025, 01:16 PM
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#2851
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Park Hyatt Tokyo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.
Funny thing is with the ‘if your realistic window is not 2-3 years then trade’m’ Florida would have traded Barkov years ago.
But I’m sure there is an asterisk there.
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* We're not Florida
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06-29-2025, 01:19 PM
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#2852
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ped
Different situations, though.
Tuch was traded in the Eichel trade. Tatar was traded in the Pacioretty trade. Both were traded to get a better asset back.
Smith, Schmidt, and Miller were all traded for salary cap reasons, essentially, iirc.
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Right but just shows they have zero hesitation to toss a player away so they can sign an upgrade.
We are seeing it with Marner. Sounded like they right move Hertl now Roy. The guy they tossed away Schmidt for might go on LTIR.
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06-29-2025, 01:21 PM
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#2853
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Tampa Bay is terminating Conor Sheary's contract.
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06-29-2025, 01:25 PM
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#2854
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Giroux has signed again with the Sens.
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06-29-2025, 01:29 PM
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#2855
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: 0° latitude, 0° longitude
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My guess is Ras will be traded to Sharks for a 26th first, the better of the 2 and their own top 10 protected only and Cameron Lund.
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06-29-2025, 01:30 PM
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#2856
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NegativeSpace
Yep. That’s my view. Just take the best deal you can get before training camp and move on.
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Absent a trade, Calgary won’t have a player of Andersson’s value to take his spot on the roster, so there is very much an “on ice” value to entering the season with Andersson still on the team. The team is almost certainly worse if he’s not on the roster to begin the season, and whether some fans like it or not icing an inferior roster is quite low on the Flames motives in dealing Andersson.
Having said that, I agree with you that he should be moved asap, and I can envision a number of things occurring that might harpoon a trade the longer he is a member of the team. At this point I imagine that Andersson’s representatives and the team are learning he has value around the league, but it’s as a second pairing guy, which limits his value and may make re-signing with the team a legitimate possibility. This may not be what some want to hear, but at this point the value of retaining the player may outweigh the value in trading him, and if this is the case it’s just part of the cost of chasing a spot this past season.
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06-29-2025, 01:31 PM
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#2857
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Right but just shows they have zero hesitation to toss a player away so they can sign an upgrade.
We are seeing it with Marner. Sounded like they right move Hertl now Roy. The guy they tossed away Schmidt for might go on LTIR.
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Sure, but it's easier for a team like Vegas to toss away players because there are always players clamoring to play there.
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06-29-2025, 01:37 PM
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#2858
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Just read that the Jackets offered up Voronkov to the Isles in their package which likely included 20 and 14 OA for Dobson.
That's not far off what posters here and myself came around on for Razz to go to CBJ. Well, minus the extra 1st.
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06-29-2025, 01:37 PM
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#2859
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
Giroux has signed again with the Sens.
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2 million for 1 year. Good deal.
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06-29-2025, 01:40 PM
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#2860
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Crash and Bang Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
Just read that the Jackets offered up Voronkov to the Isles in their package which likely included 20 and 14 OA for Dobson.
That's not far off what posters here and myself came around on for Razz to go to CBJ. Well, minus the extra 1st.
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If that was offered, I’d be pretty confident Andersson would be on Columbus today. Columbus,Montreal and the rest of the league consider Dobson to be a first pairing guy. Andersson is good, but not Dobson good.
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