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Old 06-29-2025, 11:39 AM   #2801
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I clearly didn’t say or infer that and Markstrom narrowing it down to the Devils was reported.
Yeah, so he had a position of power there due to his NMC, I don't really see that being on the Flames just more a reality of the current CBA, similar to what we're going through with Raz.
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Old 06-29-2025, 11:41 AM   #2802
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I hate that our team is so reactive too and doesn't think long term. Guys like Andersson, Kadri, Coleman should have been shopped at the deadline.

Instead, we went into fantasy world of being on the verge of a cup run. And now we are going to lose a lot of value with an Andersson trade.

I'm sure in a couple years when we are trying to trade Kadri and he is worth 10x less than he was at the deadline we will regret it too. It's classic Flames short term thinking.

Even now, they aren't sure if they are going to be rebuilding. And it was mentioned a lot depends on if Andersson re signs.
Man where to start ...

Very little of your first two paragraphs has any sort of truth to it.

Doesn't think long term ... traded all their UFAs for futures, and went into a season with $20M in cap space.

Fantasy world on verge of a cup run ... once again didn't spend the $20M, didn't add at the deadline.

What they didn't do is move every single experienced player on their roster and didn't things at a measured pace.

You can critique that against your very limited "this is the only way" view, but the rest you're just making up.
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Old 06-29-2025, 11:42 AM   #2803
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This just feels like some got way too excited for "maybe the wildest draft day ever" and visions of top10 picks and blue chip prospects. Re-adjust expectations and wait it out. Maybe this is good, perhaps the extensions he won't sign are because he gauged his value too high and he realizes now that what Calgary is offering is as good as anything on the open market. Maybe he's cool with getting himself a nice little 8 year deal here before it's too late
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Old 06-29-2025, 11:42 AM   #2804
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I am in on the trade Kadri front, but until something happens to fill his spot in the org, whether its the sudden level up of a C prospect or something happening externally (trade, UFA), I don't see the Flames being too interested in moving him.

From an organizational view, the Flames need him and have nothing to replace him long term. They will of course listen on offers but unless someone either offers them what they're looking for (A true 1C player) or makes an outlandish offer (ex top 5 pick in next years draft) they won't be moving him.
Kadri was our best forward last year and a leader. I can’t see him going anywhere. Similar comment for Huberdeau.

Never say never though I guess.
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Old 06-29-2025, 11:44 AM   #2805
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Dante Fabbro just re-upped with CBJ. There goes the other right shot D on the market. Just Ekblad and Ras now.
We don’t know what the ask is ABS what teams are offering. Plus add in that Andersson seemingly wants to play out part of the season for a better contract I doubt teams would pay a hefty price for what may amount to be a rental.

No trade clause or not by waiting it out like this we basically gave up a lot of bargaining power here. He can basically Marner us now or we trade him for lower value.
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Old 06-29-2025, 11:46 AM   #2806
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They should have traded Andersson right after they signed him. Think of the returns!!
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The Fabbro signing would seem to indicate that Columbus was the team where Ras wouldn't extend. If Fabbro was second choice (even as a known commodity to them) then that is a positive indication of the value teams are putting on Ras.
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Old 06-29-2025, 11:47 AM   #2808
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This just feels like some got way too excited for "maybe the wildest draft day ever" and visions of top10 picks and blue chip prospects. Re-adjust expectations and wait it out. Maybe this is good, perhaps the extensions he won't sign are because he gauged his value too high and he realizes now that what Calgary is offering is as good as anything on the open market. Maybe he's cool with getting himself a nice little 8 year deal here before it's too late
Royle said 8.5 and up is what he wants. Way too much in my eyes especially with what’s in the pipeline.

I wonder if other teams feel that price along with the assets it costs to get him is too high as well
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They should have traded Andersson right after they signed him. Think of the returns!!
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Old 06-29-2025, 11:49 AM   #2810
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Man where to start ...

Very little of your first two paragraphs has any sort of truth to it.

Doesn't think long term ... traded all their UFAs for futures, and went into a season with $20M in cap space.

Fantasy world on verge of a cup run ... once again didn't spend the $20M, didn't add at the deadline.

What they didn't do is move every single experienced player on their roster and didn't things at a measured pace.

You can critique that against your very limited "this is the only way" view, but the rest you're just making up.
I'm not making it up. Listen to Conroy interview with Boomer, he literally said a lot of what they end up doing in the future will depend on if they re sign or deal Rasmus. They asked him specifically do you go in for a playoff run or do you rebuild, and this was part of his answer.

It was also short term thinking of a potential playoff run why we didn't entertain trading any vets. When Royle said we could have had a 1st + for Kadri but didn't ask him to waive.

Again, I'm not blaming Conroy specifically. This has been a thing with every GM under Murray Edwards. We think short term instead of long term, in general.

I don't care what spin people want to put on it, but this isn't being made up. Everything I posted is factual.
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Old 06-29-2025, 11:52 AM   #2811
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This just feels like some got way too excited for "maybe the wildest draft day ever" and visions of top10 picks and blue chip prospects. Re-adjust expectations and wait it out. Maybe this is good, perhaps the extensions he won't sign are because he gauged his value too high and he realizes now that what Calgary is offering is as good as anything on the open market. Maybe he's cool with getting himself a nice little 8 year deal here before it's too late
This was my thinking this morning. If returns are poor and he truly wants to remain here then extend him.
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Old 06-29-2025, 11:53 AM   #2812
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They should have traded Andersson right after they signed him. Think of the returns!!
But this is the issue with a half hearted rebuild. The idea is to likely replace these guys but you hang on to the asset for too long and potentially walk them to free agency or get little in value.

Hanifin they wanted to keep. With Andersson it seems like it’s been a forgone conclusion a lot longer that we would be parting ways. Now the player is flexing his power in picking his destination.
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Old 06-29-2025, 11:57 AM   #2813
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This was my thinking this morning. If returns are poor and he truly wants to remain here then extend him.
Sign him for 9M because the returns are poor?

I’d just walk him to free agency in that case or keep him and trade at the deadline.
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The headline could be: NHL player wants to stay in Calgary, turns down other cities. Why are those cities so unattractive?!?!

It’s all about the narrative. If rasmus was a Vegas player turning down Calgary, the narrative here would be about players not wanting to come to Calgary.

And given the news, I’m now sure a certain faction will be disappointed by the eventual return regardless of what it is. The priors are now set in stone.

If Rasmus doesn’t want to extend in other cities, that’s not a ntc/nmc thing. That’s a player doing what they want/can. And trading them ‘earlier’ wouldn’t solve that problem.

Also, the concept of trading players when they have 2-3 years left on their contract is a wild one. So you sign someone to 6 years and trade them halfway through? Good luck developing an NHL team with that strategy.
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Old 06-29-2025, 12:02 PM   #2815
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Sign him for 9M because the returns are poor?

I’d just walk him to free agency in that case or keep him and trade at the deadline.
The Flames can’t be a team that moves their top talent for next to nothing. They can’t be Buffalo.
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I'm not making it up. Listen to Conroy interview with Boomer, he literally said a lot of what they end up doing in the future will depend on if they re sign or deal Rasmus. They asked him specifically do you go in for a playoff run or do you rebuild, and this was part of his answer.

It was also short term thinking of a potential playoff run why we didn't entertain trading any vets. When Royle said we could have had a 1st + for Kadri but didn't ask him to waive.

Again, I'm not blaming Conroy specifically. This has been a thing with every GM under Murray Edwards. We think short term instead of long term, in general.

I don't care what spin people want to put on it, but this isn't being made up. Everything I posted is factual.
I would argue that maybe 1% of what you posted is factual but carry on telling stories.
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Also, the concept of trading players when they have 2-3 years left on their contract is a wild one. So you sign someone to 6 years and trade them halfway through? Good luck developing an NHL team with that strategy.
Trading players who have more than one year left on their contract is wild?
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Trading players who have more than one year left on their contract is wild?
Not to mention the entire core of that team he signed with is long gone.
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Old 06-29-2025, 12:10 PM   #2820
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To Badgers point, if the Habs knew they were the only team he’d sign with, or one of two, maybe they reel in their offer a bit. But it went quick, it came down to two teams and there was no time for this to play out in the media.
It was reported prior that the Habs were one of two teams he was willing to sign with.
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