06-28-2025, 09:30 AM
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#2541
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Even Andersson not retained would still work in that scenario with how much cap we're still taking back. But, I'd still do the 50% so we don't have to add a pick or anything. It's only for a season and then both Andersson and Markstrom's retentions get removed.
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06-28-2025, 09:37 AM
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#2542
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Franchise Player
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I hope this gets resolved in July. Teams get their rosters sorted out by August, and most will have their RD set by then. There’s no reason to believe better deals will be available mid-season. The number of suitors will shrink. And it stands to reason a full season of Andersson is worth more than just the playoffs.
The reason why moves are sometimes easier towards deadline is because of the difficulty contenders have of fitting a new player into their cap. But that’s much less of an issue in this case because Andersson is already on a sweetheart deal. Nobody should have any trouble fitting Andersson under the cap now, so there’s no reason to think new destinations will open up later in the year. Unless they open up because of injuries, but that’s a two-edged sword - Andersson could get injured too.
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06-28-2025, 09:38 AM
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#2543
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Franchise Player
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Bahl extension incoming
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06-28-2025, 09:41 AM
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#2544
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Bonded
I think it’s after Ekblad plays out now.
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I think this has less to do with Ekblad and more to do with Andersson's extension. No one, including the Flames, can sign Andersson to an extension until July 1st when he starts the final year of his contract.
The only way Andersson was moving at the Draft was if one of the teams in the top 10 wanted to move their pick for Andersson.
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I would still try and hook them up with cap space. They want to re-sign Granlund and keep the Finnish gang intact.
Andersson (50%) and Pospisil for Robertson and Dumba.
That's 13.775m cap given to Calgary (2.275m + 7.75m + 3.75m) and only 3.275m to Dallas (2.275m + 1m).
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Adding Robertson makes less sense now than it did yesterday. We do not want to keep Robertson, he would need to be flipped for a C that we actually want.
IMO, we tell the Stars to go away and work on a better offer because Robertson does not fit in the Flames org as long as we have Huberdeau. Basically force them to either move Johnston of find a 3-way trade that lands us a top 6 center.
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06-28-2025, 09:44 AM
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#2545
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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Originally Posted by Wolven
I think this has less to do with Ekblad and more to do with Andersson's extension. No one, including the Flames, can sign Andersson to an extension until July 1st when he starts the final year of his contract.
The only way Andersson was moving at the Draft was if one of the teams in the top 10 wanted to move their pick for Andersson.
Adding Robertson makes less sense now than it did yesterday. We do not want to keep Robertson, he would need to be flipped for a C that we actually want.
IMO, we tell the Stars to go away and work on a better offer because Robertson does not fit in the Flames org as long as we have Huberdeau. Basically force them to either move Johnston of find a 3-way trade that lands us a top 6 center.
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Robertson fills a need. Who else is a primary shooter than Coronato? Not really anyone else. Robertson can play both wings too, I would plant him with Huberdeau and see where that goes. In fact, that could end the constant line blender of plugging someone with Huberdeau and Kadri. Those 3 would play together and in my opinion would be a great line. Or, if we do find someone that could offer that center, we can do that too. But tell me, who is offering a 1C in today's NHL? No one. That's why we just need to get center stopgaps until our prospects develop into the center we need.
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06-28-2025, 09:46 AM
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#2546
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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06-28-2025, 09:48 AM
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#2547
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Kelowna
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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
Robertson fills a need. Who else is a primary shooter than Coronato? Not really anyone else. Robertson can play both wings too, I would plant him with Huberdeau and see where that goes. In fact, that could end the constant line blender of plugging someone with Huberdeau and Kadri. Those 3 would play together and in my opinion would be a great line. Or, if we do find someone that could offer that center, we can do that too. But tell me, who is offering a 1C in today's NHL? No one. That's why we just need to get center stopgaps until our prospects develop into the center we need.
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He does fill a need but his future cap hit and questions about his future effectiveness give me pause. He may keep us treading water as Huberdeau/Kadri/Backlund/Coleman regress and he makes up for that point differential. The cap implications and concern of future effectiveness in relation to that scare me so I’d pass.
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06-28-2025, 09:53 AM
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#2548
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Franchise Player
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He's just on the Bahl
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06-28-2025, 09:58 AM
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#2549
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan
Robertson fills a need. Who else is a primary shooter than Coronato? Not really anyone else. Robertson can play both wings too, I would plant him with Huberdeau and see where that goes. In fact, that could end the constant line blender of plugging someone with Huberdeau and Kadri. Those 3 would play together and in my opinion would be a great line. Or, if we do find someone that could offer that center, we can do that too. But tell me, who is offering a 1C in today's NHL? No one. That's why we just need to get center stopgaps until our prospects develop into the center we need.
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No, he doesn't fill a need. He cannot play center and he ties up too much salary into the wings, which is a horrible way to build a team.
Huberdeau, Kadri, and Coronato already play together, no need to add Robertson to that line to add a shooter when Coronato is already doing it.
If Robertson is the only offer from the Stars then the Stars can enjoy their current RD depth. Bye!
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06-28-2025, 10:05 AM
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#2550
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Backup Goalie
Join Date: Feb 2025
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Robertson would be a boon
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06-28-2025, 10:11 AM
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#2551
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First Line Centre
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Royle/Sec/Diss - save us!
Friedman talking about Florida extending their guys - are trade talks dead league wide?
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06-28-2025, 10:16 AM
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#2552
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Scoring Winger
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Seravalli said yesterday that there is a glut of defence available on the market and the Dobson trade was unique in the islanders were trying hard to move up to get Hagens. Sounds like something that fans need to temper expectations.
I do think that keeping Rasmus after free agency (until probably August) is a bit of a mistake as this team really should not have him in the roster come training camp. While trades can happen after the first few days of free agency usually most the moves are made and it changes to in season deals from there.
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06-28-2025, 10:48 AM
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#2553
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Red Deer, AB
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Hope Ras gets moved at July 1. Id rather we have picks in 2026/27 than this draft
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06-28-2025, 10:50 AM
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#2554
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by NegativeSpace
Seravalli said yesterday that there is a glut of defence available on the market and the Dobson trade was unique in the islanders were trying hard to move up to get Hagens. Sounds like something that fans need to temper expectations.
I do think that keeping Rasmus after free agency (until probably August) is a bit of a mistake as this team really should not have him in the roster come training camp. While trades can happen after the first few days of free agency usually most the moves are made and it changes to in season deals from there.
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You’re assuming the Flames are receiving quality offers for Andersson. That might not be the case.
I’d bet if Conroy gets an offer he likes, he’ll pull the trigger. Why wouldn’t he?
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06-28-2025, 10:54 AM
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#2555
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Scoring Winger
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You’re assuming the Flames are receiving quality offers for Andersson. That might not be the case.
I’d bet if Conroy gets an offer he likes, he’ll pull the trigger. Why wouldn’t he?
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True. My assumption is that offers probably don’t improve mid season. I have no basis for that assumption at all, just a gut feeling.
I know that Conroy will pull the trigger the minute he likes the offer received. I have faith in him
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06-28-2025, 11:03 AM
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#2556
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Lifetime Suspension
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I can’t believe nill won gm of the year
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06-28-2025, 11:03 AM
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#2557
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by NegativeSpace
True. My assumption is that offers probably don’t improve mid season. I have no basis for that assumption at all, just a gut feeling.
I know that Conroy will pull the trigger the minute he likes the offer received. I have faith in him
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Outside of trying to get into the top 10, I’m guessing the Flames aren’t as interested in this draft class. I suspect the focus is now trying to acquire 2026. In other words, it’s a distinct possibility that an Andersson deal doesn’t materialize until after July 1-2.
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06-28-2025, 11:08 AM
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#2558
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by TOfan
Outside of trying to get into the top 10, I’m guessing the Flames aren’t as interested in this draft class. I suspect the focus is now trying to acquire 2026. In other words, it’s a distinct possibility that an Andersson deal doesn’t materialize until after July 1-2.
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My guess as well. He was a trade chip to move up but it didn’t materialize.
If we couldn’t get a top 5 pick I didn’t want anymore picks in late teens.
Better off being patient and getting picks in 26 or27. You can maybe use those chips to make a deal like a Dobson. Trade up. Or keep em.
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06-28-2025, 11:08 AM
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#2559
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by NegativeSpace
Seravalli said yesterday that there is a glut of defence available on the market and the Dobson trade was unique in the islanders were trying hard to move up to get Hagens. Sounds like something that fans need to temper expectations.
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Seravalli says a lot of things to drum up clicks. According to his list, the other options for RD are Karlsson and Ristolainen ...
That doesn't make it a D heavy market, especially on the right side.
- Karlsson (RD) is very talented but he is 35 and has a big cap hit and has a full NMC
- Rielly (LD) - I don't believe he is actually on the trade block
- Ristolainen (RD) is a second pair guy at best, playing less minutes, less games, and maybe half Andersson's point production
- Byram (LD) has a lot of potential
- Oleksaik (LD) is more of a second/third pair guy
- Hague (LD) is more of a third liner
I don't think this changes the market at all. If you want a top pair RD you only have a couple of options and a lot of teams have depth issues on their right side D.
On July 1st, everyone can talk to the Flames about an Andersson trade with retention and contract extension. His only real competition is Ekblad, still.
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06-28-2025, 11:16 AM
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#2560
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Lifetime Suspension
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Correct me if I’m wrong but I believe Risto is the worst plus minus player in history? Last season was his first from what I can see in his life he finished a plus. Remarkable
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