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Old 06-27-2025, 07:38 AM   #26941
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100% broadly interpreted definition. And it won’t be the only one. Upgrades to critical infrastructure across the board will likely apply. Deep water port in Hudson Bay? Sounds like something the Canadian Navy can also use to protect shipping of energy products to Europe.

Critical minerals will undoubtedly be included, as they should. Tidy little win-win for our economy and collective defence.
Might need to move troops around quickly. What if the Americans invade and we have a bunch of units stuck up in Valcartier? High Speed rail from Quebec City to London would allow quick deployment all along the potential battlefront. Edmonton to Lethbridge as well so the Princess Pats don’t get stuck in QEII traffic.

And what about air attack? Would be useful in major cities if there were underground shelters the population could take refuge in, maybe even connect them with tunnels to allow easier movement. Could be used as subway stations in the meantime..
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Edit, wrong billC5
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Old 06-27-2025, 10:10 AM   #26944
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Carney is basically exactly who many supporters here suggested he was, good and bad. A pragmatic centrist banker with a high degree of economic sense that would be just as suitable a leader of the Cons as he was the Libs.

The people who said he’d be just like Trudeau are fat off crow already. Imagine what PP’s first efforts combating the woke mind virus would have looked like as an alternative lol.
Let alone chasing the tail of Trump to smell his farts.
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Old 06-27-2025, 11:19 AM   #26945
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Disappointing to see BC go with a hostile state owned choice using slave labor and carbon intensive power costs.

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Old 06-27-2025, 02:27 PM   #26946
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That is disappointing.
But I think BC Ferries is a private company now, so it's not really "BC go with..." it's "BC Ferries go with".
However they are subsidized by governments, so some mandates should have been in place.
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Old 06-27-2025, 02:36 PM   #26947
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That is disappointing.
But I think BC Ferries is a private company now, so it's not really "BC go with..." it's "BC Ferries go with".
However they are subsidized by governments, so some mandates should have been in place.
Turns out a bunch of federal money is being routed for the Chinese deal.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...loan-1.7572216

B.C. Ferries has secured a $1 billion loan by a federal Crown corporation to help obtain four Chinese-made ships, a purchase that federal Transport Minister Chrystia Freeland recently said should not involve federal funds.

Freeland expressed dismay about the selection of China Merchants Industry Weihai Shipyards in a June 16 letter to B.C. Transportation Minister Mike Farnworth, and asked the province to confirm "with utmost certainty that no federal funding will be diverted to support the acquisition" of new ferries from the Chinese state-owned shipyard.
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That is disappointing.
But I think BC Ferries is a private company now, so it's not really "BC go with..." it's "BC Ferries go with".
However they are subsidized by governments, so some mandates should have been in place.
I don't think BC is really in a position to be spending tens to hundreds of millions of dollars more than necessary to build some ferries. No Canadian shipyards bid on the project and none have capacity to do the work in any reasonable time frame because they have years of backlog building for the federal government. Is it really worth spending a fortune of taxpayer and ferry users' money just to have the ferries built in South Korea or Japan as opposed to China?

If the federal government wants BC Ferries to buy Canadian, then they needed to invest in additional shipbuilding capacity 10-20 years ago. The fast ferries fiasco from the '90s is what happens when politicians try to force the build to take place in Canada for political reasons without the shipbuilding capacity.
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I really honestly don't believe there are enough Canadian tradespeople in general. With all the pretty big projects happening already they are going to be hard pressed to find enough people
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I really honestly don't believe there are enough Canadian tradespeople in general. With all the pretty big projects happening already they are going to be hard pressed to find enough people
We can just TFW that.
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Old 06-28-2025, 09:39 AM   #26952
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I really honestly don't believe there are enough Canadian tradespeople in general. With all the pretty big projects happening already they are going to be hard pressed to find enough people
I keep reading about young people having an impossible time finding employment, and it seems to me these two issues could help themselves in the next few years if, you know, someone did something smart here.

And lets face it, a lot of home building is unskilled work that requires an hour of training, which is good exposure for young people looking to get into the trades.
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I really honestly don't believe there are enough Canadian tradespeople in general. With all the pretty big projects happening already they are going to be hard pressed to find enough people
And the reason for it in large part is that there’s no consistency in the business cause we struggle to launch projects. So people don’t see any long term future in the trades, we need to change this and uo our productivity.
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I don't think BC is really in a position to be spending tens to hundreds of millions of dollars more than necessary to build some ferries. No Canadian shipyards bid on the project and none have capacity to do the work in any reasonable time frame because they have years of backlog building for the federal government. Is it really worth spending a fortune of taxpayer and ferry users' money just to have the ferries built in South Korea or Japan as opposed to China?

If the federal government wants BC Ferries to buy Canadian, then they needed to invest in additional shipbuilding capacity 10-20 years ago. The fast ferries fiasco from the '90s is what happens when politicians try to force the build to take place in Canada for political reasons without the shipbuilding capacity.
It was controversial when the Coastal Class vessels were built in Germany almost 20 years ago. This recent decision is another step in the wrong direction. That said, you're right - the bed was made on this issue decades ago with the lack of investment in the shipbuilding industry. Hard to believe it was just 32 years ago that the Spirit Class vessels were built locally (North Van and Esquimalt).

I think the European ferries actually turned out quite well. The Coastal Class ferries are perfectly fine, and the Salish Class ferries (built in Poland) are actually super nice for the role they play (Southern Gulf Islands routes).
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They should just quit their whining and build a bridge.
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People in Alberta talking about the ferry system on the coast sound about as clueless as people on the coast talking about the oilsands.

BC Ferries is going to need every extra dime and then some just to spend on terminal infrastructure.
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Locke's idea was pretty unworkable anyway. They need 10's of bridges, not bridge. Could you imagine one bridge replacing all the ferry crossings? Silly. It's like he doesn't even know what water is.
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Disappointing to see BC go with a hostile state owned choice using slave labor and carbon intensive power costs.

Elbows up, knees down.

China is no more hostile than the US frankly, we might need to reassess our knee jerk sense of friends and foe, a cheap bid is a cheap bid and unless there is some reasonable economic case for a Canadian Ship Building industry which there really isnt right now then you just get the best product for the lowest price
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