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Old 06-25-2025, 07:01 AM   #1141
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That's kind of a the problem with him as it seems like most of his seasons get derailed due to injury. He's still only 20 years old but it would be nice for him to one day put a full season together whether it be in the WHL or NHL.
He will put a full year together in the AHL next season. He is working hard with Flames trainers and getting his nutrition together to form and sustain a big-man-frame.

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Old 06-25-2025, 07:01 AM   #1142
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Not sure if it’s ever been asked, but do Sec and Royal know each other out in the real world?
I’m not sure we’ve ever shared information to be honest.
But knowing how connected he appears I’m sure that like myself he’s probably not going to disclose his source(s) out of respect for what they do for him.

Though I’ll add that sec appears to have multiple sources and for myself I only have a couple left after the last round of moves.

With that said, often times what he’s hearing does line up with what I’ve heard so it would be hilarious if we both had a very similar source, and it wouldn’t be that unrealistic funny enough.

Much like sec I’m receiving information a few chains later, though I will add that the Markstrom information shared with me was real time and we knew before the real insiderrrrs

Sec and I will have to go for beers and share war stories.
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Old 06-25-2025, 07:08 AM   #1143
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I know there was talk of playing Honzek down the middle and he spent some time there for the Wranglers, which may have contributed to his counting stats not being overly strong.

Anyone know how much time he spent at C and what his usage was? Did he play all situations/tough mins? Can’t recall exactly where I heard it from but I recall hearing a comparison that, I think, sounded good. Martin Handzus. Big-fast 3C with some skill. If that who he turns out to be, I’d take that all day long.
He spent the majority of the season on Bishop's wing, minus a couple of weeks with Morton as his C. The other winger was Frk from the beginning of the season until mid Feb, then it became Honzek - Bishop - Stromgren for a while.

They gave him 6 or so games at C to finish off the regular season, and then in the playoffs. For those games he centered Stromgren and Frk, as the 2nd line behind Kerins - Morton - Tullio/Hunt. In the last game of the playoffs against CV he switched back to the wing, after they got some players back from the Flames, and was playing on the 3rd line with Bishop and Tullio. Hunt - Kerins - Frk, and Stromgren - Morton - Klapka were the first 2 lines.
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Old 06-25-2025, 07:29 AM   #1144
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Brad Treliving will be #1. Letting 3 100 point players walk in 3 years is amazing.
And then paying something like 9M x 4 years for Marchand.


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Old 06-25-2025, 07:46 AM   #1145
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A scouting report with some great analytics in the draft thread about him. Showing a player as vanilla as they come. Wasted time in the ozone, doesn’t put pucks in high danger areas. Good shot. Sounds like a winger in the mold of Joe Colbourne.
Ooh, a scouting report of analytics...

Much of his ice time this year was recovering from a bad back - of course he was going to have some soft analytics. I would prefer to go by people actually watching him and assessing his toolset than a set of analytics that can't separate information from noise, but that's just me.

To put it another way: it doesn't matter what he did last year, what matters is what he is capable of doing going forward. And his skill set is pretty elite (relative to this year's draft)
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Honzek: Are the injuries freak accidents or are they due to lack of conditioning?

Does anyone know?

It’s really only the latter that concerns me.
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Old 06-25-2025, 07:48 AM   #1147
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Anton Lundell is a Handzus type of player? He has 2 cups.

If you look at the best forward of the cup winning teams since the cap was introduced.

Elite offensive C:

Crosby x 3
Getzlaf x 1
Staal x 1

2-Way C:
Toews x 3
Barkov x 2
Kopitar x 2
Bergeron x 1
O'Rielly x 1
Datsyuk x 1
Eichel x 1

Star offensive W:
Kucherov x 2
Ovechkin x 1

Kane and Zetterberg are the only forwards that could be labelled the best on their teams. Zetterberg is also a Selke type winger.

I'm not sure why people think we need stars, and those stars have to be 100+ point guys. 200-foot 2-way players win more cups.

Crosby in his last 2 cups played more of a 200-foot game and gave up numbers to play a well-rounded game.
I see your point, but that's such a weird way of picking 1 best forward.

I thought that P. Kane(Conn Smythe 2013) was the best forward for the Hawks, and an argument can be made for Tkachuk in FLA. Marchessault (Conn Smythe) and Stone in VGK. As you mentioned Zetterberg also won the Conn Smythe.

I agree that you don't necessarily need 100 point stars, since that doesn't apply to ROR(77P), Towes(81P), Getzlaf(91P), Barkov(96P), Kopitar(92P), or even Bergeron(79P). I mean Datsyuk had a career high of 97, so that's a pretty high bar. That said there were a lot less goals scored in the NHL from 2004-2018, and there were 3 x 100 point getters per season on average. For comparison there were 6 this year, 9 the year before that, and 11 the year before that.

IMO this is a team game, and a better way of looking at it is by counting star-seasons. A team needs at least 4 players having a star seasons(top 18.5% WAR) to be considered a contender.

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Old 06-25-2025, 07:53 AM   #1148
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Honzek: Are the injuries freak accidents or are they due to lack of conditioning?

Does anyone know?

It’s really only the latter that concerns me.
By all accounts, he came to camp in great shape at the beginning of the year.
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I can't help but question Honzek's conditioning. He's the same weight as James Hagens who is 6 inches shorter and two years younger.
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Old 06-25-2025, 08:07 AM   #1150
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I mean, we've seen footage of him working out with Pospisil, and the stories behind that where he wants to kill Martin because he works him so hard.

I don't think conditioning is a problem.
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I can't help but question Honzek's conditioning. He's the same weight as James Hagens who is 6 inches shorter and two years younger.
He needs to out on about 40 (healthy) pounds.

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I can't help but question Honzek's conditioning. He's the same weight as James Hagens who is 6 inches shorter and two years younger.
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If the Leafs do let Tavares and Marner both walk I think they could make a big play for Kadri.

Treliving loves the player, Leafs will need a second line center, and also want to add more grit.
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If the Leafs do let Tavares and Marner both walk I think they could make a big play for Kadri.

Treliving loves the player, Leafs will need a second line center, and also want to add more grit.
Besides Cowan they don't have much to offer.
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Besides Cowan they don't have much to offer.
Yeah that's true.

No 1sts until 2028, limited 2nds, Cowan the only notable prospect.

Treliving didn't take long to really rid that team of any trade capital.
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Old 06-25-2025, 08:20 AM   #1156
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If the Leafs do let Tavares and Marner both walk I think they could make a big play for Kadri.

Treliving loves the player, Leafs will need a second line center, and also want to add more grit.
That team has been missing him since he left. It ended in a bunch of dumb and terribly timed penalties, but that team has missed his game.
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Old 06-25-2025, 08:21 AM   #1157
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If the Leafs do let Tavares and Marner both walk I think they could make a big play for Kadri.

Treliving loves the player, Leafs will need a second line center, and also want to add more grit.
I don't think they will. I think they are going to bargain bin shop for this next year
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Treliving didn't draft Cowan so I could see him being traded. They do have assets, I could see the going after either Kadri or Backlund.
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Old 06-25-2025, 08:25 AM   #1159
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Yeah that's true.

No 1sts until 2028, limited 2nds, Cowan the only notable prospect.

Treliving didn't take long to really rid that team of any trade capital.
Yeah the Leafs cut deeper than other teams, but if you look at the top 5 teams in the standings last year they're all depleted; it's a pretty normal thing to do when you think you can win.

Toronto has no 1st and 2 2nds in the next three years.
Dallas 1 - 2
Vegas 1 - 3
Winnipeg 3 - 0

Only Washington in that top four hung on to all their picks.

Looking into the rest of the top ten Tampa, Colorado and Edmonton also quite depleted.

LA and Carolina not so much, in face the Hurricanes are up a 1st and down a 2nd.
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Yeah the Leafs cut deeper than other teams, but if you look at the top 5 teams in the standings last year they're all depleted; it's a pretty normal thing to do when you think you can win.

Toronto has no 1st and 2 2nds in the next three years.
Dallas 1 - 2
Vegas 1 - 3
Winnipeg 3 - 0

Only Washington in that top four hung on to all their picks.

Looking into the rest of the top ten Tampa, Colorado and Edmonton also quite depleted.

LA and Carolina not so much, in face the Hurricanes are up a 1st and down a 2nd.
It's how you spend those picks though.

Dallas got Mikko Rantanen.

Vegas got Hanifin and Hertl

Winnipeg got Toffoli, Schenn, and Tanev for their 3 seconds

Toronto got Jake McCabe, Brandon Carlo, Ilya Lybushkin, and Scott Laughton and it cost them 3 1sts, 2 2nds, and their second best prospect (Minten)

Really feels like they should have been able to get more impactful return on those assets than what they did

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