Israel declares war on Hamas

[Lewis_D]

Originally Posted by Pointman

I didn't get it. You didn't like that I used the word Japs? Don't read too much into it, I'm not a native speaker. My kids are currently fascinated with Japan for the reason I don't understand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap

But I get it, if you have no problem with children being slaughtered a culturally insensitive term is nothing, unless it's antisemitic of course.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Lewis_D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jap

But I get it, if you have no problem with children being slaughtered a culturally insensitive term is nothing, unless it's antisemitic of course.

Thing is, I said that children deaths are horrible like a dozen times.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Could you try shutting the #### up already? I don't give a #### how a terrorist organization presents anything, because there are many other organizations that shine a light on who is being killed, and it is very clearly not "mostly Hamas" you deceitful lying piece of ####. Stop dragging your hate filled gangrenous ass across our community.

Here's a pretty interesting report from one of those "other" organizations:

https://henryjacksonsociety.org/publ...able-counting/

The reporting of these figures has been analysed by a group of international scholars, who meticulously analysed reports of Gaza war fatalities from February 2024 through May 2024. They examined 1,378 articles from major English-language newspapers and media outlets, specifically The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Guardian, CNN, the BBC, Reuters, The Associated Press and the Australian ABC.

This report raises serious concerns that the Gaza MoH figures have been overstated. The data behind their figures contains natural deaths, deaths from before this conflict began and deaths of those killed by Hamas itself; it contains no mention of Hamas combatant fatalities; and it overstates the number of women and children killed.

Serious errors have been discovered on the Ministry’s lists of fatalities. These errors include a 22-year-old registered as a four-year-old, a 31-year-old registered as a one-year-old and several men with male first names registered as female – artificially increasing the numbers of women and children reported killed. The lists also include people who died before the war and people who died from attacks by Hamas rather than the Israel Defence Forces

[Pointman]

I would recommend download and read the whole PDF report. It has been proven, for example, that if a birth date is missing altogether, the death is being reported as a "child" automatically.

[Lewis_D]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Thing is, I said that children deaths are horrible like a dozen times.

No you didn't, you've constantly expressed that children deaths are a casualty of war.

Quite frankly I'm not here to argue with you, I just wanted to let you know you come off as an abhorrent individual and you should give your head a wobble and reconsider your worldview.

[Fuzz]

####ing stop, man. When you reach the depths of hell, you stop digging. You've reached your destination.


You are tilting at windmills, nobody is asking you to trust Hamas. But you are doing it to discredit the reality of what is happening, which can be verified by the hundreds of other organizations and journalists attempting to monitor realty in the chaos Israel is inflicting. That's why you are so evil. You are dismissing the horrors as "just war" "they are mostly terrorists anyway" "children aren't children and are also terrorists" and attempting to convince others that it's not horrific so that maybe others don't stand up to the monstrosities you shrug off.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Here's a pretty interesting report from one of those "other" organizations:

https://henryjacksonsociety.org/publ...able-counting/

The reporting of these figures has been analysed by a group of international scholars, who meticulously analysed reports of Gaza war fatalities from February 2024 through May 2024. They examined 1,378 articles from major English-language newspapers and media outlets, specifically The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Guardian, CNN, the BBC, Reuters, The Associated Press and the Australian ABC.

This report raises serious concerns that the Gaza MoH figures have been overstated. The data behind their figures contains natural deaths, deaths from before this conflict began and deaths of those killed by Hamas itself; it contains no mention of Hamas combatant fatalities; and it overstates the number of women and children killed.

Serious errors have been discovered on the Ministry’s lists of fatalities. These errors include a 22-year-old registered as a four-year-old, a 31-year-old registered as a one-year-old and several men with male first names registered as female – artificially increasing the numbers of women and children reported killed. The lists also include people who died before the war and people who died from attacks by Hamas rather than the Israel Defence Forces

I told myself I would stop engaging with by far the most disgusting monster on this board, but I had to post, not because I think your sick mind will admit you’re wrong on anything, but just so other posters can see how terrible your posts are.

The Lancet, which is one of the most respected journals, with an insanely high impact score, has already done a study and stated the the Palestinian MoH numbers are likely understated.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...678-3/fulltext

Take your right wing think tank bull#### elsewhere.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

I told myself I would stop engaging with by far the most disgusting monster on this board, but I had to post, not because I think your sick mind will admit you’re wrong on anything, but just so other posters can see how terrible your posts are.

The Lancet, which is one of the most respected journals, with an insanely high impact score, has already done a study and stated the the Palestinian MoH numbers are likely understated.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...678-3/fulltext

Take your right wing think tank bull#### elsewhere.

Lancet built a model based on MoH data:

Methods
Data sources
In this capture–recapture study, we composed three lists from successive MoH-collected hospital morgue data, an MoH online survey, and obituaries published on public social media pages.


So it can't prove that MoH data is accurate since they rely on it at the first place.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Lewis_D

No you didn't, you've constantly expressed that children deaths are a casualty of war.

Quite frankly I'm not here to argue with you, I just wanted to let you know you come off as an abhorrent individual and you should give your head a wobble and reconsider your worldview.

And wars are horrible.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Lancet built a model based on MoH data:

Methods
Data sources
In this capture–recapture study, we composed three lists from successive MoH-collected hospital morgue data, an MoH online survey, and obituaries published on public social media pages.


So it can't prove that MoH data is accurate since they rely on it at the first place.

Do you have any understanding of how data works? Of course they’re working off of MoH data. That’s literally the only data available. Where else would their data be coming from?

You literally can’t be this dumb/ignorant, but then again, I have to remind myself that you were a Putin bootlicker who fled Russia to an even worse regime.

“Psychopaths don’t argue with you, they argue to exhaust you”. Truer words could not be applied to you.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

Do you have any understanding of how data works? Of course they’re working off of MoH data. That’s literally the only data available. Where else would their data be coming from?

You literally can’t be this dumb/ignorant, but then again, I have to remind myself that you were a Putin bootlicker who fled Russia to an even worse regime.

“Psychopaths don’t argue with you, they argue to exhaust you”. Truer words could not be applied to you.

What Lancet did is they took sample data from a period when they believed the reporting was accurate and then extrapolated it on periods when reporting was not aa accurate because Hamas's computers were down and their death-recording software was not available. So Hamas was recording deaths by hand. Lancet ran a sophisticated model trying to predict what numbers should be during that period and found that they should have been higher than what Hamas reported.

This in no way addresses findings of the previous reports, which has concrete examples, with IDs, of 31 year old man reported as 1 year old child. Also there were days where total number of fatalities went up by, say, 500, yet total number of murdered women somehow went up by 600..

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

####ing stop, man. When you reach the depths of hell, you stop digging. You've reached your destination.


You are tilting at windmills, nobody is asking you to trust Hamas. But you are doing it to discredit the reality of what is happening, which can be verified by the hundreds of other organizations and journalists attempting to monitor realty in the chaos Israel is inflicting. That's why you are so evil. You are dismissing the horrors as "just war" "they are mostly terrorists anyway" "children aren't children and are also terrorists" and attempting to convince others that it's not horrific so that maybe others don't stand up to the monstrosities you shrug off.

If you don't understand that a war is H-O-R-R-I-B-L-E, well I guess you are lucky. It's an absolute hell. And do you know how to prevent wars? Clear out a network of terrorist organizations and their sponsor state.

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Pointman

What Lancet did is they took sample data from a period when they believed the reporting was accurate and then extrapolated it on periods when reporting was not aa accurate because Hamas's computers were down and their death-recording software was not available. So Hamas was recording deaths by hand. Lancet ran a sophisticated model trying to predict what numbers should be during that period and found that they should have been higher than what Hamas reported.

This in no way addresses findings of the previous reports, which has concrete examples, with IDs, of 31 year old man reported as 1 year old child. Also there were days where total number of fatalities went up by, say, 500, yet total number of murdered women somehow went up by 600..

“The study you posted, which is a study done by one of the most respected journals in the world, and uses scientific methods which are widely used and accepted, doesn’t address the outlier anecdotal cases I’ve brought up which are based on reporting in an obliterated war zone where the entire area’s infrastructure has been destroyed”

Jesus Christ, it’s like arguing with an idiot anti-vaxxer who claims that their cousin was vaccinated and has autism so clearly that’s evidence that vaccines cause autism.

This is the last time I will address your complete lack of knowledge, understanding, and empathy. Go back into your cave, you troll.

[Looch City]

Wonder what the next war is for this Netanyahu war monger. Probably invasion of Yemen?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Pointman

If you don't understand that a war is H-O-R-R-I-B-L-E, well I guess you are lucky. It's an absolute hell. And do you know how to prevent wars? Clear out a network of terrorist organizations and their sponsor state.

Yes genocide and displacement of a population will probably bring peace. Just be pro-genocide and displacement. Own it.

[Barnet Flame]

I genuinely feel remorse that I was concerned about Pointman’s predicament when he was in Russia.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

I genuinely feel remorse that I was concerned about Pointman’s predicament when he was in Russia.

This is who he always has been.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Here's a pretty interesting report from one of those "other" organizations:

https://henryjacksonsociety.org/publ...able-counting/

It's actually insane you're posting something from the HJS

https://bridge.georgetown.edu/resear...ckson-society/

https://blogs.soas.ac.uk/cop/wp-cont...-Democracy.pdf

The fact you gobble up their nonsense speaks to your lack of credibility and your stool pigeon behaviour

[Drak]

In Putin’s Russia, life is cheap. Pro Putinists consider other people sub human. So why is a Pro Putinist allowed to post here spewing vile, evil propaganda?

[Fuzz]

DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Israeli forces and drones opened fire toward hundreds of people waiting for aid trucks in central Gaza early Tuesday, killing at least 25 people, Palestinian witnesses and hospitals said, as health authorities said the number of Palestinians killed in the war has risen above 56,000.

New food-distribution sites run by an American contractor, with U.S. and Israeli government support, have been plagued by scenes of violence and chaos since opening last month. Palestinians say that Israeli troops often fire toward desperate crowds trying to collect food. The army says it only fires warning shots to control the crowds.

In Tuesday’s incident, Palestinian witnesses told The Associated Press that Israeli forces opened fire as people advanced eastward toward trucks delivering food to a distribution site.

“It was a massacre,” said Ahmed Halawa. He said tanks and drones fired at people, “even as we were fleeing. Many people were either martyred or wounded.”

Hossam Abu Shahada, another eyewitness, said drones were flying over the area, watching the crowds first, then there was gunfire from tanks and drones as people were moving eastward. He described a “chaotic and bloody” scene as people were attempting to escape.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-pa...09900650814412

I couldn't imagine the terror of going out to try to find some food to help your child survive another day, only to be fired upon by ####ing drones. Not genocide though. Not a war crime, I guess. Just some crowd control. If only there were more people around to help explain to us why this is justified.