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Old 06-20-2025, 06:05 PM   #421
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If SJ is indeed willing to move Misa, I assume many teams would line up to offer younger dmen with years if control.

Anderson would certainly make them better now, but they are some years away from being a good team. By the time they are good, Anderson is likely regressing.
The only thing that the Sharks are missing from being good right now is a D group that is built to play in the NHL instead of AHL.

- They have a good top6 group of forwards lead by Celebrini, Smith, Eklund, and Toffoli and a couple more high end prospects to graduate.
- Askarov is ready to take over the net from Georgiev's performance last season.

If they can rebuild their top 4 D then that suddenly starts to look like a team ready to compete instead of tank.

If they do not try to improve their D then they are going to decimate Askarov in his rookie season. That would be an ... interesting decision.
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Old 06-20-2025, 06:06 PM   #422
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Hard pass on Jeannot, that style of player has quickly lost favour in the NHL.
Playoff teams DO covet these sorts of players, so you could possibly get picks for him at the deadline
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Playoff teams DO covet these sorts of players, so you could possibly get picks for him at the deadline
That's true, just look at the prices teams pay for grit and toughness at the deadline. If you sign a guy like Jeannot, who will garner interest in free agency, it might be a bad look if you trade him right after signing him, though.
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No, to signing Jeannot.

Yes, to extending Zary.

Yes, to trading Andersson.

Yes, to trading any other vets who we get a decent package for.

No, to signing any older players.
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Old 06-20-2025, 06:21 PM   #425
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If SJ is indeed willing to move Misa, I assume many teams would line up to offer younger dmen with years if control.

Anderson would certainly make them better now, but they are some years away from being a good team. By the time they are good, Anderson is likely regressing.
I don’t know who these younger dmen are. Dobson is nowhere near the 200 foot dman that Andersson is, maybe Byram but don’t think there are many younger dmen that are actually available that are better than Rasmus. No reason to think he will regress anytime in the next 5-6 years either.
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Is it possible to sign someone and immediately trade them with retention? Maybe a creative way to use cap space. As in a team negotiates with a player on a 1 year/2 year contract, flames sign that contract and trade them retaining half.

Just thinking out loud.
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Old 06-20-2025, 06:25 PM   #427
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I don’t know who these younger dmen are. Dobson is nowhere near the 200 foot dman that Andersson is, maybe Byram but don’t think there are many younger dmen that are actually available that are better than Rasmus. No reason to think he will regress anytime in the next 5-6 years either.
Dobson's trade value is way higher than Ras value is. Ras is not great defensively, Dobson got 70 points on a bad offensive team. Contract demands are probably close, one is 25.
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Is it possible to sign someone and immediately trade them with retention? Maybe a creative way to use cap space. As in a team negotiates with a player on a 1 year/2 year contract, flames sign that contract and trade them retaining half.

Just thinking out loud.
I’m not sure if there any rules but I feel like the league would reject it as it’s pretty blatant cap manipulation. Also it would have to be pretty good returns to kill retention slots.
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I don’t know who these younger dmen are. Dobson is nowhere near the 200 foot dman that Andersson is, maybe Byram but don’t think there are many younger dmen that are actually available that are better than Rasmus. No reason to think he will regress anytime in the next 5-6 years either.
Dobson is more valuable and he doesn’t get the 2nd overall just like Lindholm didn’t get the 3rd overall. Andersson is worth a 15ish pick.
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Dobson's trade value is way higher than Ras value is. Ras is not great defensively, Dobson got 70 points on a bad offensive team. Contract demands are probably close, one is 25.
Well if Ras is bad defensively then Dobson is like Marc Andre Bergeron. Rasmus is a far far better defensive dman than Dobson. They both have 20 goals over the past two years so not much separating them on the goal front.

If their contract demands are similar and Dobson is light years better than Dobson needs a new agent

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Cootes does seem very Flamesy. And I don't mean that in a disparaging way.
I do. I'm not buying he is anything more than a 3rd line energy C at the NHL level. I hope the Flames draft Kindel. They have seen him all year so should have gotten a good look to the fact this kid has the hockey IQ to not only play C but possibly be a #1 C. He has a great pass, great shot, his skating can use some work but we have the perfect person for that. Second choice is Reschny who I think can be a Lindholm type. If the Flames want to do a typical Flamesy thing they take the safe pick in Cootes who will definitely play in the NHL but doesn't have that high ceiling.
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Jeanot is terrible. Conroy said he isn’t bringing in bodies for the sake of it. That is what Jeanot is. Guys a bum
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I would take Cootes over Reschny, Cootes is the better skater, has the better motor, has the better intangibes. Give Cootes some players to play with and he will produce. I think they have similar ceilings, Cootes has the higher floor. I also think Cootes is the type of player you win with.
What shows Cootes has a higher floor than Reschny? I'm not buying that at all. The scouts I have heard talk about Cootes says he is a high motor bottom 6 C. I would say energy and skating is the only two things Cootes has on Reschny, Reschny might be the best 200 foot C in this draft. Maybe even forward.
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When’s the next GIF drop!?
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Jeanot is terrible. Conroy said he isn’t bringing in bodies for the sake of it. That is what Jeanot is. Guys a bum
If they bring him in it is for the deadline.
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I do. I'm not buying he is anything more than a 3rd line energy C at the NHL level. I hope the Flames draft Kindel. They have seen him all year so should have gotten a good look to the fact this kid has the hockey IQ to not only play C but possibly be a #1 C. He has a great pass, great shot, his skating can use some work but we have the perfect person for that. Second choice is Reschny who I think can be a Lindholm type. If the Flames want to do a typical Flamesy thing they take the safe pick in Cootes who will definitely play in the NHL but doesn't have that high ceiling.
Kindel is one of the worst skaters that is going to get drafted in the 1st round. If they can get him at 32 then great, but he shouldn’t be anywhere near 18 on their list. He is a mid 20’s pick. I don’t think there is any chance he will be a center in the NHL.
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What shows Cootes has a higher floor than Reschny? I'm not buying that at all. The scouts I have heard talk about Cootes says he is a high motor bottom 6 C. I would say energy and skating is the only two things Cootes has on Reschny, Reschny might be the best 200 foot C in this draft. Maybe even forward.
Cootes is a much better defensive player in than Reschny, and Cootes’ skill is really being underrated. Reschny is 50/50 if he has the skating ability and compete to play center full time at the NHL level, I have my doubts.
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Cootes to me looks like a high second-rounder in a good year, which this isn't.
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Jeanot is terrible. Conroy said he isn’t bringing in bodies for the sake of it. That is what Jeanot is. Guys a bum
Jeannot had 13 points last year. I don't see a fit here.

What is 13 points worth? League minimum?
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Jeannot had 13 points last year. I don't see a fit here.

What is 13 points worth? League minimum?
Pretty sure Brad Treliving is the maple leaf GM now.
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