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Old 06-16-2025, 04:31 PM   #4921
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Bennett still does that. He's going to get more goals when he's playing with high end linemates. People don't notice your bonehead penalties as much when your team is winning and you're knocking in game winning goals. He's actually averaging getting more penalties in Florida, although that's also likely a function of him getting more ice time.
He also tends to take penalties that deplete the other team's player's health bar significantly. Like innocently elbowing a goalie out of a series.
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Old 06-16-2025, 07:17 PM   #4922
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He was puckhogging, refusing to pass to line mates and instead opting to take low percentage shots, and taking selfish penalties that killed momentum. I get that he was frustrated and thought that he should play with better players, and he probably proved that point in the long run, but at the time he wasn't doing anything to earn that.
lol same thing people now say about Kadri. The same Kadri who was also a 2C on a recent cup champ
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He also tends to take penalties that deplete the other team's player's health bar significantly. Like innocently elbowing a goalie out of a series.
During the game on the 12th when the Panthers were up 3-0 Bennett takes a dumb slashing penalty on Bouchard. The oilers score on the ensuing PP. The Oilers then make the comeback and win by a goal.

We could go back and forth with this all playoffs. That's the kind of player Bennett is. Yes, his physical play looks great on the highlights when the Panthers win. Not at much fun on a more borderline club that loses by a goal due to a dumb penalty.
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During the game on the 12th when the Panthers were up 3-0 Bennett takes a dumb slashing penalty on Bouchard. The oilers score on the ensuing PP. The Oilers then make the comeback and win by a goal.

We could go back and forth with this all playoffs. That's the kind of player Bennett is. Yes, his physical play looks great on the highlights when the Panthers win. Not at much fun on a more borderline club that loses by a goal due to a dumb penalty.
They’ve been to the finals 3 years in a row. I think it’s worth it.
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During the game on the 12th when the Panthers were up 3-0 Bennett takes a dumb slashing penalty on Bouchard. The oilers score on the ensuing PP. The Oilers then make the comeback and win by a goal.

We could go back and forth with this all playoffs. That's the kind of player Bennett is. Yes, his physical play looks great on the highlights when the Panthers win. Not at much fun on a more borderline club that loses by a goal due to a dumb penalty.
Then gets an assist on the game tying goal, then had the Panthers' best chance in OT, then just dominates Game 5 all over again..

Yea.. Bennett just be a Legend
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Ahahahahah. Some people are so sad about Bennett being a winner. He's a beauty.
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lol same thing people now say about Kadri. The same Kadri who was also a 2C on a recent cup champ
I don't know what that has to do with Bennett when he was playing with the Flames, but OK. Bennett was on the block for a while in his last season with the Flames and the best they could get was a late 2nd (61st OA) and tier 2 prospect (Flames also sent a 6th rounder to Florida). Obviously GMs across the league weren't pining for him at the time.

Like I said, I like the player he is now, but he was was terrible in his last year with the Flames and he is responsible for a lot of that. Kadri took criticism for bad streaks, but he never had seasons where he was complete ass like Bennett did.
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Ahahahahah. Some people are so sad about Bennett being a winner. He's a beauty.
Oiler fans?
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He also tends to take penalties that deplete the other team's player's health bar significantly. Like innocently elbowing a goalie out of a series.
His penalties in Calgary, especially in his 2nd and 3rd year, were more hooks and holds, usually when he was a little wild on the forecheck. He was trying to steal pucks from behind and be offensive.

He’s found a better balance between offence and checking now.
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I don't know what that has to do with Bennett when he was playing with the Flames, but OK. Bennett was on the block for a while in his last season with the Flames and the best they could get was a late 2nd (61st OA) and tier 2 prospect (Flames also sent a 6th rounder to Florida). Obviously GMs across the league weren't pining for him at the time.

Like I said, I like the player he is now, but he was was terrible in his last year with the Flames and he is responsible for a lot of that. Kadri took criticism for bad streaks, but he never had seasons where he was complete ass like Bennett did.
He was never complete ass. That’s a wild exaggeration and straight copium.
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Hoping Bennett scores a hat-trick and takes that Conn Smythe trophy along with the Stanley Cup tonight!
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He was never complete ass. That’s a wild exaggeration and straight copium.
The all or nothing takes on this are quite weird.
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Then gets an assist on the game tying goal, then had the Panthers' best chance in OT, then just dominates Game 5 all over again..

Yea.. Bennett just be a Legend
I agree. Bennett has been dynamite for the Panthers this run. No disputing that. When he's not in circumstances where he shines offensively, he will continue to make the boneheaded plays though.
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Old 06-17-2025, 03:39 PM   #4934
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I don't know what that has to do with Bennett when he was playing with the Flames, but OK.
What it has to do with Bennett, and for that matter a lot of players, is that there is this inherent and strong bias in hockey-watching against "failed attempts".

Hockey is inherently a low percentage sport.

Most passes get intercepted.
Most shots get stopped, blocked, or miss. They don't become goals.
Most controlled zone entries get met with a tight gap.
Most 5v5 goal scoring happens in streaks.

Hockey fans, and hockey executives too, let themselves believe the narratives created by these biases:

"Tries to do so much with the puck, needs to stop toedragging, thinks it's junior hockey and should just dump it and make the simple playand" (because there was a turnover that frustrated the viewer)
"Doesn't have any finish" (even if he has league average shooting percentage and generates chances at an above league-average rate)

The thing is, your frustration at attempts at plays, is probably the same frustration that coaches like Geoff Ward and Glen Gulutzan let control their decisions. Especially on a team with "safe" centres like Sean Monahan or Elias Lindholm who didn't really even carry the puck, or Mikael Backlund who, while a good puck carrier, typically keeps the game to the perimeter.

Players like Kadri and Bennett, and for that matter even elite talent players like Nathan MacKinnon frustrate their fanbases immensely when things aren't going their way. Those fanbases inflate their perception of concepts like "working off the puck to get open" as the only valid form of perceived "hockey sense". And then they let a bias towards point production further that opinion - even if a player is ineffective 5v5, if they won a powerplay faceoff leading to an Alex Ovechkin one timer, they've been "playing well enough".

As fans, watching guys with unfathomably elite hockey sense - guys like Gretzky, Lidstrom, Crosby, Gaudreau, M. Tkachuk, etc skews our perception too.

Maybe I'm rambling at this point, because I instead should be working on whatever they pay me for at work, but I just value the ability to make plays, even if there's usually a high percentage most attempted plays will fail. Here's a quote from Igor Larionov that really highlights how real it is:

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I remember Datsyuk made a couple turnovers in a game when he first came to Detroit at age 23. Players on the team like Brett Hull, Brendan Shanahan, Steve Yzerman and myself had to tell him, “Pavel, just keep doing what you’re doing.” Thankfully, Scotty Bowman had the wisdom to see his potential. If he was on a different team with a different coach who did not appreciate that kind of unique skill, Datsyuk might have been out of the league. He would be playing in the KHL tonight.
It's a pretty old article, but I feel like everyone should read it:

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/ar...-hockey-russia

So going back to this statement of yours:

"He was puckhogging, refusing to pass to line mates and instead opting to take low percentage shots, and taking selfish penalties that killed momentum. "

It's just so coloured by your bias and emotional reaction, that it's just not an objective analysis.

"puckhogging" - subjective bias against puck carriers in general, which is what you want your centre of all people to be

"refusing to pass to linemates" - subjective assessment, not backed by any passing metrics on Bennett as a Flame which showed he was actually one of the league's better shot assist guys

"low percentage shots" - even though he was the guy who took the most shots right at the net, and was playing on the ice with 3rd and 4th liners so it's not like he had Mitch Marner sending him no-look passes in the slot.

"selfish penalties" - he's a player with an aggressive style of play that lends itself to penalties. I don't see Paul Maurice having reigned in any penalty-taking in this three-straight-SCF run
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Old 06-17-2025, 04:09 PM   #4935
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I'm going to say what I said about Tkachuk and Bennett last year this time - I still love everything about both of their games and hope they win back to back.
It's been amazing to watch Bennett reach another level yet again these playoffs.

Even though it's not with the Flames, it makes me so happy/proud to see him reach a level we all knew he had in him. A Conn Smythe would be the cherry on top. Go Panthers.
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GranteedEV that may be the best post ever on CP
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