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Old 06-16-2025, 08:02 AM   #141
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Amazing logistical operation by the Israelis. Months of smuggling in drones, and putting boots on the ground in Iran.



The nature of warfare has changed. Forget your 40 billion dollar jets and missile frigates. It's all about $40 drones from Walmart now.
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Old 06-16-2025, 05:41 PM   #142
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Donald Trump is leaving the G7 summit in Canada a day early.

"Because of what's going on in the Middle East, President Trump will be leaving tonight after dinner with heads of state," says press secretary Karoline Leavitt.

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Old 06-16-2025, 06:20 PM   #143
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Regime change going to happen most likely tonight. Israel took out the national broadcaster's HQ today. Literally the first thing you do when taking out leaders is get to the sources of information.
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Old 06-16-2025, 06:30 PM   #144
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Taking out the leadership of Iran seems like catching a tiger by the tail. Sure you can do it, but what then?

Israel takes out the current government and then what? They couldn't rule Iran. What makes them think the next government would be more sympathetic to them?
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Old 06-16-2025, 06:48 PM   #145
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Well hopefully there is a change in the leadership of Iran, and we see the fall of Hamas and Hezbolah as a result.

Perhaps it will be the start of a peaceful time in the entire region.
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Old 06-16-2025, 06:50 PM   #146
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Well hopefully there is a change in the leadership of Iran, and we see the fall of Hamas and Hezbolah as a result.

Perhaps it will be the start of a peaceful time in the entire region.
I suppose the Hamas and Hezbollah thing could make sense - if Iran's government falls into disarray they'll be less able to support proxies.

But in general this doesn't seem like we're on the path to peace to me. Sort of the opposite.
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Well hopefully there is a change in the leadership of Iran, and we see the fall of Hamas and Hezbolah as a result.

Perhaps it will be the start of a peaceful time in the entire region.
Nothing like a good ol' war to bring long term peace about. How many successes does Israel have with that strategy, anyway?
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Old 06-16-2025, 07:16 PM   #148
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Taking out the leadership of Iran seems like catching a tiger by the tail. Sure you can do it, but what then?

Israel takes out the current government and then what? They couldn't rule Iran. What makes them think the next government would be more sympathetic to them?
I'm certain there's already someone paid for by the US/Israel to rise up and step into the vacancy. The Americans and Israelis aren't going to go to all this trouble without assurance that the replacement will do their bidding moving forward.
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Old 06-16-2025, 07:36 PM   #149
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I'm certain there's already someone paid for by the US/Israel to rise up and step into the vacancy. The Americans and Israelis aren't going to go to all this trouble without assurance that the replacement will do their bidding moving forward.
Yeah, just like 2003 Iraq.
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Nothing like a good ol' war to bring long term peace about. How many successes does Israel have with that strategy, anyway?
There are few things the far right and the military industrial complex loves more in the past 30 years than killing as many muslims as possible in the name of peace.
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Why is "regime change" term thrown around as if it's easy peasy, they'll move out next week and we can hold elections the next?

Are y'all that naive? Did we learn nothing the past 20 years?
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Ships in the strait of Hormuz near the UAE and off the coast of Iran are presently on fire.


Perhaps a false flag, but surely those B2s in the Indian Ocean are on their way to Iran. Especially if the rumor is true that they are American tankers.
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I'm certain there's already someone paid for by the US/Israel to rise up and step into the vacancy. The Americans and Israelis aren't going to go to all this trouble without assurance that the replacement will do their bidding moving forward.

I heard from my Persian barber that the son of the Shah has been raising his profile in recent years
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Old 06-16-2025, 09:33 PM   #155
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Anyone who thinks this is going to create anything besides a massive civil war in Iran is a special kind of naive.
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Ships in the strait of Hormuz near the UAE and off the coast of Iran are presently on fire.


Perhaps a false flag, but surely those B2s in the Indian Ocean are on their way to Iran. Especially if the rumor is true that they are American tankers.
Are there any American flagged tankers? I didn't really think there were.
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When Israel launched its series of strikes against Iran last week, it also issued a number of dire warnings about the country’s nuclear program, suggesting Iran was fast approaching a point of no return in its quest to obtain nuclear weapons and that the strikes were necessary to preempt that outcome.

But US intelligence assessments had reached a different conclusion – not only was Iran not actively pursuing a nuclear weapon, it was also up to three years away from being able to produce and deliver one to a target of its choosing, according to four people familiar with the assessment.
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They sure do move slowly. Nice reminder Netanyahu has been using this threat for decades to justify his actions. Kinda feels flaccid and pathetic at this point, no?
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Israel’s takedown of Iran’s proxies in Hamas and Hezbollah over the last 18 months crippled Iran’s ability to strike back at Israel. Now Israel can take down the Iranian regime itself.

It’s not always a good idea to bring down even a despotic regime like Iran’s when you don’t know what will fill the void. But Israel must have many Iranian contacts and agents in order to carry out operations of this sophistication. So maybe an opposition that arises will be more favourable to Israel.
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Clearly the only thing holding the region back from peace has been the Ayatollah. As soon as he's gone, the Iranian people will rise up, embrace Western culture and forget all about their issues with Israel.

Iran has many pro-western factions, sure; but it's a lot like any country now. Liberal cities and a very traditional rural population. It's hard to believe this sentiment is going to be upended when their arch nemesis is bombing the crap out of those same cities.

Moreover, those liberal cities are mostly of the opinion that Iran can be a regional power and hold influece over the Middle East. This is pretty much in direct opposition to Israeli and American (Saudi) interests.
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What about the possibility that this Israel regime doesn't give a flying #### about the hostages are just using them as an excuse to remove all Gazans once and for all?
Easy. If this is the case, Hamas should release hostages and rob Israel regime of this excuse.
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