2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Reggie Dunlop]

Cooley has sort of levelled out as a third string goalie. He can be a very capable AHL vet in tandem with a younger goalie. He’d be okay in a pinch should he need to be called up, but in very limited circumstances.

Prosvetov has already terminated a secure contract in the KHL, expected to sign a one-way deal, so he’d nominally be Wolf’s backup barring a collapse.

[getoverit]

And I thought ownership didn’t get involved in that. If Conroy has to go beg on every deal that would be brutal

Originally Posted by Andrew

I would not go over 2.5 for vladar either good

[Ped]

Originally Posted by dino7c

With all due respect many of these guys are at least as good as Vladar has been

Sure, but I was never a fan of Vladar anyway.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by getoverit

And I thought ownership didn’t get involved in that. If Conroy has to go beg on every deal that would be brutal

I read ownership as management as the one thing Edwards has always been willing to do is spend to the cap.

[Royle9]

Allen would be an absolutely stellar pickup, though I suspect not likely for the Flames.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I read ownership as management as the one thing Edwards has always been willing to do is spend to the cap.

I’ve gotta say, Edwards willing to spend to the cap is hardly an indication of good ownership, especially in light of, what, 90% or more of other teams willing to do so. That’s basically one step over the minimum. If you were to give that a letter grade, it would be a ‘C’, maybe a ‘C-‘ in this market. I’ll also be interested to see if he will continue to spend to the cap as it increases.

What we have seen over decades is an owner who pinches Pennie’s on coaches, GM’s, and operational costs. And he almost certainly will come out well on top with his deal with the City on the arena. The Athletic ran an article on that ranked NHL ownership and IIRC the Flames were in the bottom 5 or so? It may have been 30th with only Buffalo and Vancouver being worse.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I’ve gotta say, Edwards willing to spend to the cap is hardly an indication of good ownership, especially in light of, what, 90% or more of other teams willing to do so. That’s basically one step over the minimum. If you were to give that a letter grade, it would be a ‘C’, maybe a ‘C-‘ in this market. I’ll also be interested to see if he will continue to spend to the cap as it increases.

What we have seen over decades is an owner who pinches Pennie’s on coaches, GM’s, and operational costs. And he almost certainly will come out well on top with his deal with the City on the arena. The Athletic ran an article on that ranked NHL ownership and IIRC the Flames were in the bottom 5 or so? It may have been 30th with only Buffalo and Vancouver being worse.

I don't think this is legitimate. They're probably getting a good price on Conroy because he's a new GM, but they chose him because they groomed him and felt he was the best for the organization at the time. Sounds like they would have paid Treleving. On coaches, yeah Huska is likely being paid well below market (again because he's a first time NHL coach), but Sutter wasn't a value hire and they just finished paying him $4m a year to not be the coach.

I also think they've beefed up their internal staff, hiring some of the better player development coaches and seem to have a pretty excellent scouting staff.

Maybe in the arena they've been cheap, but this will change with the new building, as they'll be providing a state of the art experience for people. The Athletic article was also a reader survey, which is hardly evidence of anything except how passionate/pissed off a fanbase is at the time.

I do wonder whether the team will spend to the cap in the next few years as it rises, but I think this will be more to do with not being able to make as much as the US and big market teams with the Canadian dollar.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by TOfan

I’ve gotta say, Edwards willing to spend to the cap is hardly an indication of good ownership,.

That’s fine and all but I didn’t say it meant he was a good owner. It has just been something he has always been willing to do. So until we start seeing the Flames operate with an internal cap and he starts to micromanage contracts then I won’t read into it much.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Bonded

That’s fine and all but I didn’t say it meant he was a good owner. It has just been something he has always been willing to do. So until we start seeing the Flames operate with an internal cap and he starts to micromanage contracts then I won’t read into it much.

As the cap goes up the next few years, this will be the true tell IMO.

I suspect there will be more internal cap teams when the cap goes north of $100M.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I’m told it’s not likely to be Cooley.

That's good, he kinda sucks.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Bonded

That’s fine and all but I didn’t say it meant he was a good owner. It has just been something he has always been willing to do. So until we start seeing the Flames operate with an internal cap and he starts to micromanage contracts then I won’t read into it much.

Yes, didn’t mean to say that is what you were getting at.

Hearing how Edwards chooses to operate his other businesses I wouldn’t be surprised if he does have a say in contracts. Admittedly, this is just my assumption.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Allen would be an absolutely stellar pickup, though I suspect not likely for the Flames.

Why not for flames? They don’t like him? Or is returning to devils?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Why not for flames? They don’t like him? Or is returning to devils?

He is more of a 1B or at least a back-up that expects to play a fair amount.
So you are both overpaying for him, and probably not giving him the volume of starts he wants.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

He is more of a 1B or at least a back-up that expects to play a fair amount.
So you are both overpaying for him, and probably not giving him the volume of starts he wants.

True. Thanks for ruining my Monday.

[SuperMatt18]

I also think he's 35 years old and likely wants another shot at a cup (forgot he did win one with the Blues when Binnington took over his job).

I'd be pretty surprised if the Oilers don't go after him if they have any cap space left.

[Demetric]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I also think he's 35 years old and likely wants another shot at a cup (forgot he did win one with the Blues when Binnington took over his job).

I'd be pretty surprised if the Oilers don't go after him if they have any cap space left.

They do not think their goaltending is an issue though

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Demetric

They do not think their goaltending is an issue though

They might after they lose tomorrow.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by getoverit

And I thought ownership didn’t get involved in that. If Conroy has to go beg on every deal that would be brutal

How have we decided that Conroy is having to go beg for $$ on Vladar? Because that one tweet said ownership wouldn't go north of $2.5? I mean it could mean that, but only in Calgary would we interpret that way. I interpret that as, Conroy doesn't want to go over $2.5M for the backup, and he's drawn his line. I don't read, Conny wanted to but ownership said no. You don't lose a key player over $300K difference, but you can't over pay by $300K here and there on these lower value contracts. If you do, all of a sudden you end up short millions in being able to improve your team in the long run.

Conny likely has a number for that spot and won't go over, vs. Edwards is in his business over $300K.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

How have we decided that Conroy is having to go beg for $$ on Vladar? Because that one tweet said ownership wouldn't go north of $2.5? I mean it could mean that, but only in Calgary would we interpret that way. I interpret that as, Conroy doesn't want to go over $2.5M for the backup, and he's drawn his line. I don't read, Conny wanted to but ownership said no. You don't lose a key player over $300K difference, but you can't over pay by $300K here and there on these lower value contracts. If you do, all of a sudden you end up short millions in being able to improve your team in the long run.

Conny likely has a number for that spot and won't go over, vs. Edwards is in his business over $300K.

Who is JP Sandhu anyway? I am not familiar with him as a hockey insider, let alone a Calgary Flames insider, although I am not always up on that either.

[Muta]

If we're actually debating paying Vladar $2.5M or $2.8M ($300K difference), I'd just try and meet him in the middle at $2.65M and call it a day. He likes Calgary, he's still relatively young, wants to be here, and we still need a good 1B option. Arguing over $300K for a proven asset is dumb, especially with a constantly-ascending cap. Just pay the man.