2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[traptor]

I mean a just semantics for an arbitrary term, but trading expiring assets doesn't indicate a rebuild. That's more of a retool for me. You could argue Markstrom was, but he asked to be traded.




Ignoring the terms of rebuilding/retool/rewhatever.




The mandate is asset management , whatever you want to call it, and not tanking. Offer fair contracts to expiring players. Trade them if they refuse. Keep vets under contracts. Explore trade deals for u25 players.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by traptor

I mean a just semantics for an arbitrary term, but trading expiring assets doesn't indicate a rebuild. That's more of a retool for me. You could argue Markstrom was, but he asked to be traded.




Ignoring the terms of rebuilding/retool/rewhatever.




The mandate is asset management , whatever you want to call it, and not tanking. Offer fair contracts to expiring players. Trade them if they refuse. Keep vets under contracts. Explore trade deals for u25 players.

And it might be semantics but for me a retool is trading a 27 year old asset for a 27 year old asset (or similar age asset) that can help you now. Every trade Conroy has done for real assets outside the Frost/Farabee trade has been for assets that will help the team in 5-7 years time.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I think the main reason I was frustrated was why even talk contract with Lindholm? Or with Tanev? It was clear to me that the team needed to rebuild or at the very least needed a big overhaul and were not winning with that group.

It's really a matter of where you see the team though. People who think we are a couple players away from sneaking in and making a run, and don't want to rebuild are fine with it. Those who wanted big changes and a rebuild were not happy about it.

Basically it comes down to the philosophy of the team and how close you think we are. It's clear a Murray Edwards team will never rebuild, but that doesn't mean that isn't what some of us wanted.

Again that is a mis-representation. People just don't see things as binary as you do. I don't think anyone thinks this team is close to making a run.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by traptor

I mean a just semantics for an arbitrary term, but trading expiring assets doesn't indicate a rebuild. That's more of a retool for me. You could argue Markstrom was, but he asked to be traded.




Ignoring the terms of rebuilding/retool/rewhatever.




The mandate is asset management , whatever you want to call it, and not tanking. Offer fair contracts to expiring players. Trade them if they refuse. Keep vets under contracts. Explore trade deals for u25 players.

After almost being traded lol

I get it doesn’t fit the narrative otherwise, but the narrative is kind of janky anyway since you’re ignoring the fact that 90% of their vets were on the last year of their deal. So of course it’s going to seem like they only trade upcoming UFAa if you fail to mention they had a disproportionate amount of expiring contracts and then discount the one they traded who wasn’t on one.

[Lewis_D]

I've been seeing some rumours floating around about a potential Toews & Kane reunion in Toronto... I don't see anyone substantial reporting on it, I think it was just discussed on the SDPN podcast and the internet took it from there and ran with it.

But man I would love to see that happen and fail miserably. It would remind me of the Leafs of the early 00's that would load up on all these big name players who were clearly over the hill and it never worked out.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I think the main reason I was frustrated was why even talk contract with Lindholm? Or with Tanev? It was clear to me that the team needed to rebuild or at the very least needed a big overhaul and were not winning with that group.

It's really a matter of where you see the team though. People who think we are a couple players away from sneaking in and making a run, and don't want to rebuild are fine with it. Those who wanted big changes and a rebuild were not happy about it.

Basically it comes down to the philosophy of the team and how close you think we are. It's clear a Murray Edwards team will never rebuild, but that doesn't mean that isn't what some of us wanted.

You ask every high value UFA what they want ... full stop.

More info is never a bad thing.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Again that is a mis-representation. People just don't see things as binary as you do. I don't think anyone thinks this team is close to making a run.

That's just it. We all want the super cool top picks and a superstar to cover and idolize. I'm sure Conroy and everyone else wouldn't mind having one as well. we all know what it takes to acquire one of those types of players, we don't need constant tipping about how the team should get there. We have ALL had this conversation for decades.

But at what point does an individual accept that the team they're cheering for will not capitulate to make that chance happen? Mine was two years ago. Now I just wait to see what they do and respond to that instead. It's been much better conversationally.

[mile]

insiderrr warning:

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[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dammage79

That's just it. We all want the super cool top picks and a superstar to cover and idolize. I'm sure Conroy and everyone else wouldn't mind having one as well. we all know what it takes to acquire one of those types of players, we don't need constant tipping about how the team should get there. We have ALL had this conversation for decades.

But at what point does an individual accept that the team they're cheering for will not capitulate to make that chance happen? Mine was two years ago. Now I just wait to see what they do and respond to that instead. It's been much better conversationally.

This year seems like the year you can get into the top 5 via trade. We don’t a McDavid or MacKinnon. We just our #1C to put up 80-90 points and be in the selke conversation.

[dammage79]

Well that all but confirms the rumors.
Prosvetov vs Cooley for the #2 spot incoming.

[Vinny01]

If the Flames traded for Byram and Rossi giving each 6-8 year deals and also give Wolf a 7-8 year deal there would be a brand new core in Calgary quick

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If the Flames traded for Byram and Rossi giving each 6-8 year deals and also give Wolf a 7-8 year deal there would be a brand new core in Calgary quick

How awesome would it be to compete for wild card slots annually or just miss out.

[dammage79]

End of the day I want to see a great 5v5 team. None of this Oilers BS where they rely so heavily on power plays. It's important of course to have an average powerplay but the game is so much more than that. The Flames as they were last year, had a 96 point season without scoring at a league average rate. If adding a Byram and Rossi to go with Parekh can kick their 5v5 scoring up to league average we could be looking at a regular playoff team . The system is there, just needs a bit more punch.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If the Flames traded for Byram and Rossi giving each 6-8 year deals and also give Wolf a 7-8 year deal there would be a brand new core in Calgary quick

If that ended up being our core we would be a in a true tear down rebuild in a few years as that core isn’t doing squat !

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

This year seems like the year you can get into the top 5 via trade. We don’t a McDavid or MacKinnon. We just our #1C to put up 80-90 points and be in the selke conversation.

I don’t think there is a sure fire 90 point two way centre in this draft
If there was people would be far more excited about it

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

If that ended up being our core we would be a in a true tear down rebuild in a few years as that core isn’t doing squat !

There would be no superstar in that core since all players would be in the $8M and under range but would be a base of younger players in key spots as opposed to guys in their 30’s.

Definitely not the main pieces of a top contender.

Having Wolf, Parekh, Coronato, Bahl, Rossi, Byram as a base of long term contracts would be a decent group to have if a star becomes available via trade. Obviously that base alone is not winning anything

[robertsfanatic]

Guys I just thought of something groundbreaking. If we tanked we'd be a dynasty franchise, it's the only way to win!

No rumours just tank talk 24/7.

[Royle9]

I’m starting to wonder if all these guys from Buffalo that want out are really that “bad in the room” or perhaps Buffalo’s franchise just might be the problem.

Peterka said to be toxic
Byram the same
Eichel was said to have attitude/entitlement issues

The more you look into it, the more things just don’t add up quite right.
Perhaps the sabres room is toxic which starts with the GM who’s some how still employed and flows downhill from there.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

This year seems like the year you can get into the top 5 via trade. We don’t a McDavid or MacKinnon. We just our #1C to put up 80-90 points and be in the selke conversation.

Don’t think there is a 80-90 point center who is also in the Selke conversation in this years draft. It certainly is not Misa, he is only potentially one of those things.

[Niemo]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I don’t think there is a sure fire 90 point two way centre in this draft
If there was people would be far more excited about it

Agreed. However Desnoyers intrigues me a lot. Sounds like he is captain material from his combine interviews and he plays a strong 200 ft game. I really like him and can only dream, even if he is "just" a future selke candidate averaging 75 pts and wearing a letter - he can be one of those very key pieces.