06-11-2025, 07:58 AM
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#2721
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electric boogaloo
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06-11-2025, 09:41 AM
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#2722
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Bingo
Updated rankings list.
17 rankings
7 needed to get an "average"
Flames ranges in red
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1 M Schaefer D 1.18
2 Michael Misa C 2.00
3 James Hagens C 4.12
4 Porter Martone RW 4.47
5 Anton Frondell C 5.18
6 C Desnoyers C 6.76
7 Victor Eklund LW 8.35
8 Jake O’Brien C 9.53
9 Jackson Smith D 11.06
10 Radim Mrtka D 11.53
11 Roger McQueen C 11.82
12 Brady Martin C 12.12
13 Carter Bear C 14.18
14 K Aitcheson D 17.50
15 Braeden Cootes C 17.80
16 J Carbonneau RW 17.81
17 Lynden Lakovic LW 18.35
18 Cole Reschny C 19.53
19 Logan Hensler D 20.47
20 Cameron Reid D 20.63
21 Benjamin Kindel RW 21.13
22 Malcolm Spence LW 21.38
23 Cullen Potter C 23.00
24 J Ravensbergen G 24.92
25 Ivan Ryabkin C 26.38
26 Cam Schmidt RW 26.80
27 Jack Nesbitt C 27.21
28 Bill Zonnon Lw 27.63
29 Blake Fiddler D 29.07
30 S Boumedienne D 30.07
31 Milton Gästrin C 30.46
32 Jack Murtagh C 32.07
33 William Moore C 33.42
34 J Ihs-Wozniak RW 34.67
35 Cole McKinney C 35.00
36 H Brzustewicz D 36.55
37 Shane Vansaghi C 37.50
38 Eric Nilson C 37.73
39 Adam Benák C 39.33
40 Ryker Lee RW 41.00
41 William Horcoff C 41.82
42 Kurban Limatov D 42.57
43 Eddie Genborg LW 42.70
44 Jack Ivankovic G 43.00
45 Alex Zharovsky RW 47.20
46 Haoxi Wang D 50.00
47 Ethan Czata C 50.25
48 Nathan Behm LW 50.89
49 Luca Romano C 52.89
50 Vaclav Nestrasil RW 54.80
51 Vojtech Cihar LW 55.43
52 C Trethewey D 55.50
53 Owen Conrad D 56.57
54 Benjamin Kevan RW 57.73
55 Conrad Fondrk C 58.33
56 L.J. Mooney RW 59.88
57 K Epperson LW 60.00
58 P Andreyanov G 60.86
59 Matthew Gard C 61.00
60 Alex Huang D 64.63
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So taking from our ranges I would want:
Reschny, Murtagh then Mooney>Gard>Fondrk>Epperson.
So potentially 3 centers in the first 2 rounds.
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06-11-2025, 10:06 AM
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#2723
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
19 Logan Hensler D 20.47
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I'm unaccountably amused that Hensler finally moved... one spot.
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06-11-2025, 04:59 PM
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#2724
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bingo
Updated rankings list.
17 rankings
7 needed to get an "average"
Flames ranges in red
Code:
1 M Schaefer D 1.18
2 Michael Misa C 2.00
3 James Hagens C 4.12
4 Porter Martone RW 4.47
5 Anton Frondell C 5.18
6 C Desnoyers C 6.76
7 Victor Eklund LW 8.35
8 Jake O’Brien C 9.53
9 Jackson Smith D 11.06
10 Radim Mrtka D 11.53
11 Roger McQueen C 11.82
12 Brady Martin C 12.12
13 Carter Bear C 14.18
14 K Aitcheson D 17.50
15 Braeden Cootes C 17.80
16 J Carbonneau RW 17.81
17 Lynden Lakovic LW 18.35
18 Cole Reschny C 19.53
19 Logan Hensler D 20.47
20 Cameron Reid D 20.63
21 Benjamin Kindel RW 21.13
22 Malcolm Spence LW 21.38
23 Cullen Potter C 23.00
24 J Ravensbergen G 24.92
25 Ivan Ryabkin C 26.38
26 Cam Schmidt RW 26.80
27 Jack Nesbitt C 27.21
28 Bill Zonnon Lw 27.63
29 Blake Fiddler D 29.07
30 S Boumedienne D 30.07
31 Milton Gästrin C 30.46
32 Jack Murtagh C 32.07
33 William Moore C 33.42
34 J Ihs-Wozniak RW 34.67
35 Cole McKinney C 35.00
36 H Brzustewicz D 36.55
37 Shane Vansaghi C 37.50
38 Eric Nilson C 37.73
39 Adam Benák C 39.33
40 Ryker Lee RW 41.00
41 William Horcoff C 41.82
42 Kurban Limatov D 42.57
43 Eddie Genborg LW 42.70
44 Jack Ivankovic G 43.00
45 Alex Zharovsky RW 47.20
46 Haoxi Wang D 50.00
47 Ethan Czata C 50.25
48 Nathan Behm LW 50.89
49 Luca Romano C 52.89
50 Vaclav Nestrasil RW 54.80
51 Vojtech Cihar LW 55.43
52 C Trethewey D 55.50
53 Owen Conrad D 56.57
54 Benjamin Kevan RW 57.73
55 Conrad Fondrk C 58.33
56 L.J. Mooney RW 59.88
57 K Epperson LW 60.00
58 P Andreyanov G 60.86
59 Matthew Gard C 61.00
60 Alex Huang D 64.63
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Added this awesome resource to OP for ease of access (below Sandman's FInal Rankings)
Also back from Invermere (shouda stayed) and getting back to some Upside Hockey updates...
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06-11-2025, 10:35 PM
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#2725
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Singapore
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Never claimed they were
Again I simply enjoy reading a variety of opinions.
He offers a compete different perspective which is interesting to me
I think his model has flaws including not factoring in other attributes like size so you see smaller skilled players higher
But that also means he was right about guys like Hutson and Stankoven
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If you read his descriptions for each player you see that he did take size into his account in slotting the rankings, for instance it looks like Kindel and Reschny would have been higher if they were bigger.
His rankings are not exclusively based on his model; he says
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The rankings factor in the probabilities from the model, but also age, runway left to improve (i.e., how much time do they have to make the big jumps prior to certain age milestones indicative of impactful NHLers), league-specific patterns/anomalies and reputation/rank with reliable resources. These are not scouting reports or a ranking of where we think players will actually be drafted. Rather, our rankings provide a glimpse into who we see making the NHL and becoming stars in the NHL, based on 30+ years of history and distinct pattern detection.
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I do enjoy seeing the player comparisons that arise from his model. For instance, he's got McQueen's model comparable as Kirby Dach, which might temper expectations to some degree as to what McQueen might become. But then again drafting at 18, a middle of the lineup player is probably what you can hope for.
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06-11-2025, 11:34 PM
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#2726
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by icarus
If you read his descriptions for each player you see that he did take size into his account in slotting the rankings, for instance it looks like Kindel and Reschny would have been higher if they were bigger.
His rankings are not exclusively based on his model; he says
I do enjoy seeing the player comparisons that arise from his model. For instance, he's got McQueen's model comparable as Kirby Dach, which might temper expectations to some degree as to what McQueen might become. But then again drafting at 18, a middle of the lineup player is probably what you can hope for.
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I like what Bader does. I have watched videos with him where he talks about prospects, ranking them, statistics, and he doesn't come across as trying to be smarter than everyone. He openly states that the eye tests matter and he can't provide those for every player. He's a stats guy and hockey aficionado. I am sure he saw Zubek and Lisy rank high in the model and was surprised, but he isn't afraid to put his neck out there. I think it actually says a lot of positive things about his model that many of the players that model well and are in his top 32 rank relatively close to the lists of people who actually are scouting the players.
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06-12-2025, 02:28 AM
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#2727
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Alberta
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That ranking list is becoming worst case scenario lol. Early centre run likely, weak draft overall …not a great recipe for our pick.
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06-12-2025, 04:15 PM
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#2730
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Paradise
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"A little bit lazy, a little unfit."
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06-12-2025, 04:36 PM
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#2731
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#1 Goaltender
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That’s almost where if you have a group of guys that you like at 32, trade back and try and grab an extra 2nd or 3rd. Likely get a guy in the same tier from your list, and then swing for the fences on ryabkin with the extra pick
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06-12-2025, 08:38 PM
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#2732
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: NC
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06-12-2025, 09:27 PM
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#2733
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Truculent!
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Reschny had a bit of a growth spurt this year I heard. Up to 5'11 at the combine.
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06-12-2025, 11:48 PM
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#2734
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: In my office...is it 5:00 yet???
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Originally Posted by Wastedyouth
Reschny had a bit of a growth spurt this year I heard. Up to 5'11 at the combine.
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Yeah I’m having a hard time thinking he’s going to make it to 18 at this point.
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06-13-2025, 12:33 AM
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#2735
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Paradise
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HitterD
Yeah I’m having a hard time thinking he’s going to make it to 18 at this point.
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I think he's gone with one of the Montreal picks.
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06-13-2025, 07:26 AM
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#2736
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Samonadreau
I think he's gone with one of the Montreal picks.
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I don’t know
They already have a bunch of smaller forwards and you simply can’t have too many on your team
I don’t think they take him
I think they take a guy like Lakovic and a d
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06-13-2025, 07:41 AM
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#2737
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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I keep thinking that Nesbitt might jump into the middle of the first…
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06-13-2025, 09:15 AM
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#2738
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandman
I keep thinking that Nesbitt might jump into the middle of the first…
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Hey, if some team ahead of CGY wants to take Nesbitt by all means. Teams must really like the size and net front because from all the video I've seen, there's not much else to vault him into the middle round.
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06-13-2025, 09:23 AM
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#2739
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Paradise
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
I don’t know
They already have a bunch of smaller forwards and you simply can’t have too many on your team
I don’t think they take him
I think they take a guy like Lakovic and a d
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Forward and D makes sense, I think they take a Center, though. Could be Cootes if hes available.
I know you draft by BPA, but with Demidov, Caufeild and Slafkovsky they are pretty stacked on wing already.
Last edited by Samonadreau; 06-13-2025 at 09:26 AM.
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06-13-2025, 09:47 AM
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#2740
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#1 Goaltender
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Just ran an FC mock and it had
16 - Kindel
17 - Martin
No chance Martin falls that far but if it played out this way, damn.
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