2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I mean, are we surprised the Flames are not "selling"?
They aren't sellers, they aren't getting rid of everything, they are in a re-tool.
The flames ARE selling certain pieces, but not everyone can be had.

I think that's a very LOOSE term being thrown out by LeBrun, because there are far more teams looking to move pieces off their team than just the Penguins.

Anaheim, Buffalo, LA, Calgary, Carolina, Toronto and Dallas all looking to change their roster up...

Really makes you wonder if the league sees a lot more hockey trades where teams have more cap flexibility and desire to shakeup their rosters?

I hope it is not a situation where there is little to no movement.

[really?]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I would pass. We already have a better player in Frost. We need another top 6 C.

As a former Flyers ticket holder who still follows the team on a casual basis, I remain absolutely unimpressed by Frost’s body of work both in Philadelphia and Calgary. Having said that, I thoroughly agree with your observation.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Really makes you wonder if the league sees a lot more hockey trades where teams have more cap flexibility and desire to shakeup their rosters?

I hope it is not a situation where there is little to no movement.

I think it will be the opposite. Only so many impact UFAs. I think we will see some trades around draft and some just before July 1, but see more than normal after July 1.

[traptor]

Hopefully we do actually end up selling Rasmus atleast.

There's obviously a non-zero percent chance that he stays.


I don't believe we should be retooling, but that's what they're set on.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by Funkhouser

I agree, now is the time for the Flames to take advantage of a situation for once!

Prices are low...we sell
Prices are high...we buy
Cap space is valuable...we have none
Cap space isn't valuable...we have plenty


If CGY wants to get ahead, we need to follow the Hurricanes school of management and zig when others zag.

Draft picks are cheapest at the trade deadline? Buy them.
Players have the most value at the trade deadline? Sell them.
UFAs are most expensive on July 1st? Don't sign them.

No one else is selling right now? SELL.

Careful saying things like this around here. Some people get very upset if you mention trading players who are aging before they lose all their value!

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Pierre basically saying the Pens are showing their hand early as a team that wants to tank next season.

Smart move by them.

[really?]

Originally Posted by traptor

Hopefully we do actually end up selling Rasmus atleast.

There's obviously a non-zero percent chance that he stays.


I don't believe we should be retooling, but that's what they're set on.

The time for a tear down has passed. It wouldn’t make sense to start jettisoning guys who want to be here given that the team likely has a foundational goalie. It’s best to move on from those who are looking for a change, Andersson, and maybe Coleman is entering that realm, but the Flames are still in the mix for high picks over the next couple of years even staying the course. I was on the implosion train a few years back, and things have progressed as expected, but it’s not wise to address the failures of the past with rash decisions.

IMO Conroy is proceeding with a purpose and he appears to value the next two seasons as construction projects. They should have a number of 1sts and 2nds over the next two years. At that point the future roster should start to become visible. If guys like Kadri, Weegar and Backlund are on board with such a plan, I wouldn’t move them as they are likely to have more value to the future by simply being who’ve they shown themselves to be. If these guys and a youth infused cast end up making the playoffs, is that such a bad thing? The team shouldn’t be making moves to chase the 8th spot, but at this point there is no sense in being allergic to competing.

[dino7c]

Pens already suck is not like they have to do much of anything

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Careful saying things like this around here. Some people get very upset if you mention trading players who are aging before they lose all their value!

Some people also know how NMC work.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Careful saying things like this around here. Some people get very upset if you mention trading players who are aging before they lose all their value!

You just proved you basically ignore counterpoints people have offered up

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by traptor

Hopefully we do actually end up selling Rasmus atleast.

There's obviously a non-zero percent chance that he stays.


I don't believe we should be retooling, but that's what they're set on.

I hope this is at minimum what happens. I still think the Flames can slip down the standing just by trading Ras.

I also did some looking at elite level players that were drafted anywhere in the draft from 2004 - 2018. I show 35 elite level players taken in 15 years and 31 still play with the team that drafted them or at minimum played most of their years including all of the prime years with the team that drafted them. The 4 that did not were:

Eichel
Tkachuk
Rantanen
E Karlsson

Good news is 3 were moved recently. Bad news is teams seem to keep their elite players.

Few other big names that have moved or are going to

Tavares
Hall
Seguin
Reinhart
Huberdeau
Duchene
Marner
Wheeler
Zibanejad
Sergachev
Chychrun
Necas
Forsberg
JT Miller
M Green
S Theodore
T Rask
PK Subban
B Bishop
J Guentzel
Gaudreau
D Toews
Forsling
Hagel
Stone
Weegar

Doesn't look good to add the superstar via trade, but lots of near superstars can be had but most would be UFAs and are not picking Calgary.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Pierre basically saying the Pens are showing their hand early as a team that wants to tank next season.

(1) of Crosby or Malkin conveniently injured for the season, place your bets

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I mean, are we surprised the Flames are not "selling"?
They aren't sellers, they aren't getting rid of everything, they are in a re-tool.
The flames ARE selling certain pieces, but not everyone can be had.

I think that's a very LOOSE term being thrown out by LeBrun, because there are far more teams looking to move pieces off their team than just the Penguins.

Anaheim, Buffalo, LA, Calgary, Carolina, Toronto and Dallas all looking to change their roster up...

By sellers I think LeBrun means teams looking to trade veterans for picks with the expectation it will likely make their roster worse in the short-term. That doesn’t apply to any of the teams you listed, except maybe Calgary.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Careful saying things like this around here. Some people get very upset if you mention trading players who are aging before they lose all their value!

We should have you personally go up to Kadri and ask him to waive his NMC because you said so. Let us know how it goes.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Careful saying things like this around here. Some people get very upset if you mention trading players who are aging before they lose all their value!

If that's what you took from those pushing back against your argument for four pages and three days I worry for you.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

By sellers I think LeBrun means teams looking to trade veterans for picks with the expectation it will likely make their roster worse in the short-term. That doesn’t apply to any of the teams you listed, except maybe Calgary.

Yeah, the Athletic article had more details than that little tweet and the above is what he is talking about.

It seems this is because most bottom dwellers are ready to finish their rebuild AND because the cap has gone up significantly, so most teams have more money to re-sign their FAs, which limits the number of quality free agents making it to market (Florida is likely to re-sign Bennett), so teams are currently less likely to trade their veterans.

What it probably means for Calgary is that the price for Andersson has increased, but it's also unlikely that Conroy's going to pry a young centre off a team for a good price or sign a middle pairing defender for what we would consider market rate.

I suspect this might continue and we're going to see relatively few high end free agents come available in the next few years as the cap rises and teams pay their players.

Drafting and developing well will be even more important.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If that's what you took from those pushing back against your argument for four pages and three days I worry for you.

One can hear the calliope if you listen hard enough.....

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

Yeah, the Athletic article had more details than that little tweet and the above is what he is talking about.

It seems this is because most bottom dwellers are ready to finish their rebuild AND because the cap has gone up significantly, so most teams have more money to re-sign their FAs, which limits the number of quality free agents making it to market (Florida is likely to re-sign Bennett), so teams are currently less likely to trade their veterans.

What it probably means for Calgary is that the price for Andersson has increased, but it's also unlikely that Conroy's going to pry a young centre off a team for a good price or sign a middle pairing defender for what we would consider market rate.

I suspect this might continue and we're going to see relatively few high end free agents come available in the next few years as the cap rises and teams pay their players.

Drafting and developing well will be even more important.

I think Conroy will walk away if prices get too high though. I think this is good news for the Flames.

Also think the Flames could get massive offers from some team that misses out after July 1. If Bennett stays in Florido and Ekblad did too, Marner is the only big-name player available.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by really?

The time for a tear down has passed. It wouldn’t make sense to start jettisoning guys who want to be here given that the team likely has a foundational goalie. It’s best to move on from those who are looking for a change, Andersson, and maybe Coleman is entering that realm, but the Flames are still in the mix for high picks over the next couple of years even staying the course. I was on the implosion train a few years back, and things have progressed as expected, but it’s not wise to address the failures of the past with rash decisions.

IMO Conroy is proceeding with a purpose and he appears to value the next two seasons as construction projects. They should have a number of 1sts and 2nds over the next two years. At that point the future roster should start to become visible. If guys like Kadri, Weegar and Backlund are on board with such a plan, I wouldn’t move them as they are likely to have more value to the future by simply being who’ve they shown themselves to be. If these guys and a youth infused cast end up making the playoffs, is that such a bad thing? The team shouldn’t be making moves to chase the 8th spot, but at this point there is no sense in being allergic to competing.

I don't think we're close to having the horses in the system yet to start building it back up

[GioforPM]

Say what you will about the Pens, their timing is impeccable. Tank to get Mario (and then Jagr a couple years later when they figured they needed more). Win a couple cups. Then when Mario is done, just draft Sid, along with Malkin, Stall and MAF. Now, Sid's about to be done, just tank and get McKenna.