2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Ba'alzamon

Washington had Backstrom. When they won the cup he had just rattled of his fifth of six straight 70+ point seasons (and he had two straight point-per-game seasons that were cut short just prior to that, a 65 point season, and prior to that two seasons of 88 and 101 points)

Backstrom doesn't get the publicity, but he was definitely elite.

(plus, the year they won, Kuznetsov had an 80+ point season. Only one of those guys was playing with Ovechkin, and it wasn't Backstrom).

…. Then we are way off on the bar of “elite centre” as a descriptor.

[sch19lks]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Lightning in 2020 as well. But it doesn’t matter, could be one or 100.

The point is not to obsess over some made up criteria. Enjoy the ride.

Brayden Point

[Vinny01]

End of the day I am sure teams look at Buffalo and despite all the talent they have had they were unable to get it done. O’Rielly, Eichel, Reinhart/Montour all Stanley Cup champs very shortly after leaving.

That franchise is rotten to the core and I think teams are terrified of that so you see Chicago, San Jose, Anaheim start to want to accelerate things (which some on this board will tell you only Canadian teams do this).

There is a big part of me as a fan who would absolutely embrace the Flames taking advantage of this market and sell their veterans high and see if they can have a real shot at McKenna. It is almost like a perfect storm of opportunity for the team with a generational player being available at the top of the draft next year.

I have accepted it won’t happen so I will proceed to cheer on Conroy as he is trying to retool and with the Flames drafting in recent years I have optimism he has a shot to pull it off. Just keep picking two or more times in the 1st round over the next 3 drafts.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

End of the day I am sure teams look at Buffalo and despite all the talent they have had they were unable to get it done. O’Rielly, Eichel, Reinhart/Montour all Stanley Cup champs very shortly after leaving.

That franchise is rotten to the core and I think teams are terrified of that so you see Chicago, San Jose, Anaheim start to want to accelerate things (which some on this board will tell you only Canadian teams do this).

There is a big part of me as a fan who would absolutely embrace the Flames taking advantage of this market and sell their veterans high and see if they can have a real shot at McKenna. It is almost like a perfect storm of opportunity for the team with a generational player being available at the top of the draft next year.

I have accepted it won’t happen so I will proceed to cheer on Conroy as he is trying to retool and with the Flames drafting in recent years I have optimism he has a shot to pull it off. Just keep picking two or more times in the 1st round over the next 3 drafts.

I think Conroy is all for trading the vets, *IF* it makes sense. He’s not going to sell for the sake of selling. He waited a while to sell Lindholm until he got a fair deal. I think with a lot of buyers it bodes well for us when trading Andersson.

I still look at Montreal as a potential suitor, having back-to-back picks at 16 and 17.

Would selfishly want both, but one would do. I think Andersson is a good fit there.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by sch19lks

Brayden Point

I'm not suggesting the Point is or isn't elite, but he definitely isn't the best forward on his team. How good a player is always gets debated and if he was in a different situation, would he be elite. I think what he showed on Team Canada is he is up there, but he isn't the best player on his line.

You see this all the time, see the Seth Jones trade. Most said Chicago hosed Florida, Jones is terrible. Especially in his own zone. He is +14 and is leading the Panthers in ice time by a mile and is 2 wins away from a Stanley cup. Sure, looks ok to me and worth a late 1st and a young goalie. And Chicago RS for years, Fla is paying him $7 mil a year now for how long. Such a lopsided trade, yet most said the opposite.

If you look at teams that won and their center is not their best forward or considered elite. There are quite a few of late.

Tampa x 2
Washington
St Louis

I like Kuznetsov and Point, but they play in prime-time situations to succeed too.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I think Conroy is all for trading the vets, *IF* it makes sense. He’s not going to sell for the sake of selling. He waited a while to sell Lindholm until he got a fair deal. I think with a lot of buyers it bodes well for us when trading Andersson.

I still look at Montreal as a potential suitor, having back-to-back picks at 16 and 17.

Would selfishly want both, but one would do. I think Andersson is a good fit there.

Montreal has quite a bit of draft capital
2x1
2x2
3x3

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Fan69

Montreal has quite a bit of draft capital
2x1
2x2
3x3

They also need to get the #### moving. I imagine they pull a few trades to improve this off season.

[ForeverFlameFan]

With Savard retired, they could absolutely use Andersson with Hutson/Matheson.

[PepsiFree]

Let’s say Montreal wants to give us 16 and 17 for Andersson (and a little plus, or whatever, maybe 32).

With 16, 17, 18 would people rather:
- make all three picks
- package two of them to move up 3-6 spots
- package all three to move up 7+ spots

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

…. Then we are way off on the bar of “elite centre” as a descriptor.

At his peak, Backstrom was a top-10 centre in the NHL. A run of 7 or 8 seasons of PPG and excellent two-way game gets you there. He put up better numbers than Kopitar, who is typically considered elite.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Let’s say Montreal wants to give us 16 and 17 for Andersson (and a little plus, or whatever, maybe 32).

With 16, 17, 18 would people rather:
- make all three picks
- package two of them to move up 3-6 spots
- package all three to move up 7+ spots

Make all 3 picks.

Some good guys will be there at 16/17/18, it always happens

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I think Conroy is all for trading the vets, *IF* it makes sense. He’s not going to sell for the sake of selling. He waited a while to sell Lindholm until he got a fair deal. I think with a lot of buyers it bodes well for us when trading Andersson.

I still look at Montreal as a potential suitor, having back-to-back picks at 16 and 17.

Would selfishly want both, but one would do. I think Andersson is a good fit there.

I'm not sure Montreal needs Ras. They have Matheson for one more year and Reinbacher looks NHL ready.

Guhle and Xhekaj look like great 2nd pairing guys. Carrier was a sneaky pick up too. Why trade 1sts for d right now, unless they prefer Ras over Matheson by enough to part ways with a 1st.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

…. Then we are way off on the bar of “elite centre” as a descriptor.

Backstrom was elite. Probably one of the best passers if not the best passer during his prime. He was as consistent as they come.

[Tbull8]

Obviously Mckenna is the golden ticket next year, but even if the flames were to pick 2-5, they'd have a good shot at Ryan Roobroeck who also looks like he's gonna be a stud C. 83 points in 63 games this year.

and I know C is the priority but Verhoeff is going to be unreal too

[Niemo]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Backstrom was elite. Probably one of the best passers if not the best passer during his prime. He was as consistent as they come.

Backstrom was also very strong defensively. Underrated in his 2-way game.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Let’s say Montreal wants to give us 16 and 17 for Andersson (and a little plus, or whatever, maybe 32).

With 16, 17, 18 would people rather:
- make all three picks
- package two of them to move up 3-6 spots
- package all three to move up 7+ spots

Quality over quantity. If they love a player and have the opportunity to move all the way up, then go for it, especially if the plan is to add to the team this offseason in FA/trades.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

No team in NHL history that I can remember has ever successfully re-tooled around an aging, non superstar core. The Flames are trying to become the first ever.

I like our odds!

The Flames aren't either.

It amazes me that so many people think the Flames are building around Huberdeau and Kadri - they are not. These guys are placeholders and leaders, while the team is rebuilt with youth.

Look at the roster - there is hardly anyone between the ages of 26 and 30. The 'core' is Coronato, Zary, Wolf, Parekh, Frost, etc. When these guys are good, Kadri, Coleman, Backlund and possibly Huberdeau, will all be long gone.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Let’s say Montreal wants to give us 16 and 17 for Andersson (and a little plus, or whatever, maybe 32).

With 16, 17, 18 would people rather:
- make all three picks
- package two of them to move up 3-6 spots
- package all three to move up 7+ spots

It depends on how far you can move up. Would I trade 16, 17, and 18 for 2? Yup. 5? Depends who is still there. Anything after that and I just make the picks.

[traptor]

Sellers market
Flames apparently retooling
Flames have lots of vets
Two years of top end 1st overalls in McKenna then Dupont




Flames dont sell...?





Flames are always missing the boat.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

It depends on how far you can move up. Would I trade 16, 17, and 18 for 2? Yup. 5? Depends who is still there. Anything after that and I just make the picks.

In my head 17 and 18 maybe gets you to around 11-13

All three gets you into the 7-9 range. Mayyyybe 4 if Utah is serious about moving the pick, but definitely not top three.

Personally I’d lean toward moving 17 and 18. But would also be happy picking all three.

I’d move all three for 4, but think I’d rather make the picks if you can’t get that high (which I think is totally unlikely anyway).