2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

A different story compared to where the Flames are now, maybe,

Not compared to the Oilers or the Leafs.

I mean, you bring up KC and Golden State, but if you had to name the most popular teams in those league, you’re not naming either of them despite the high profile stars and mountains of success.

Hell, go back and answer my first question: the Oilers have the biggest hockey star in the world and have been in back to back finals while the Leafs can’t get out of the second round. So why are the Leafs still more popular?

The Cowboys/Steelers still have more fans than the Chiefs, so the history-rich teams still have an advantage and more fanfare. I am just not so defeatist to think winning wouldn’t go a long way to curing some apathy in Calgary/bring in a new generation of fans.

Look at what Iggy and Kipper did and that team didn’t even win.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Royle9

We can still do poorly with Kadri on the team, there's a plethora of other guys without NMC's we can ask to be traded.

I just fail to see how not asking Kadri to go to Colorado, after he told you he wants to be here and win is costing us a top 5 pick.
Kadri isn't McDavid, he wont be carrying the team on his back every night.

Kadri has been the Flames top scorer the last two years. He makes a big difference. He will be 35 this season. All he is doing at this point is hurting the Flames draft position.

[Tkachukwagon]

Big changes coming for the Hurricanes

https://twitter.com/user/status/1932842551809032607

[Icon]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

Big changes coming for the Hurricanes

We'll take Jarvis.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Icon

We'll take Jarvis.

If we had a time machine.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Andersson to Carolina? Maybe it means they’re gonna grab Marner and Andersson or something.

Would also love someone like Svechnikov on this team but very doubtful he’s moved.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Tampa built around an elite goalie and an elite winger, won two Cups. Florida built its team around a 10 million dollar a year goalie. Hopefully in a week or less they will have their 2nd Cup. Pretty common in recent years to build around elite goalies.

Ryan Miller and Backstrom being an elite goalie to build around and Vlasilevsky not being one is wild.

Hedman, Stamkos, Barkov and Ekblad say Hi

Neither TB or Florida "Built Around" an elite goalie. They acquired their elite goalies who they got after they drafted their core players top 2

That doesn't mean they were not instrumental in the wins. But neither Stanley Cup winning goalie was there when they were drafted top 2 and getting core players of their championships

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Tkachukwagon

Big changes coming for the Hurricanes

https://twitter.com/user/status/1932842551809032607

Hardly an insider. Unless this is one of the major insiders i would be wary. Teams they finish that high in standings don’t perform major changes. Changes will come, but can’t see them doing major surgery.

[Toonage]

Given the owner has a rep as being a bit of a loose cannon its an easy prediction to make regardless.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Hardly an insider. Unless this is one of the major insiders i would be wary. Teams they finish that high in standings don’t perform major changes. Changes will come, but can’t see them doing major surgery.

I see them throwing big money Bennett. They need a guy like him to get past the top teams.

They could throw big money at Marner and Bennett.

[Jason14h]

Trading the Vet's isn't just to tank/get a better draft position. It is also to maximize their assets.

Coleman is 33. In 23/24 he got a career high 30 goals. Last year 18. Do we expect him to get better as he ages? He is a depreciating asset

Kadri is 35 and just got a career high 35 goals, and third best career 67 points. Do we expect him to get better as he ages? He is a depreciating asset

Weegar is 31. He had a career high 20 goals 2 seasons ago. He arguably played better or as good last season. He will soon become a depreciating asset

Now it can be argued the rate these assets are depreciating (and I could even buy an argument if they keep up their play as their contracts have less term they are more valuable) but the odds of older players continuing to have career years and hold their value are very low.

It is also a double edged sword. If these players hit the age wall, their value is much lower but the Flames are a worse team and can draft higher, but their trade value has decreased.

If they do well, the Flames may sneak into 8th but they can't/odds are against them acquiring top talent at the top of the draft.

If we are honest best case the Flames are 3-5 years from being a playoff contender. At that time non of these guys are going to be a part of the team except Weegar who would be 34-37.

Why limp around for the next few years as these assets depreciate being stuck in the middle hoping you come out in 3-5 years and have luckily drafted some elite talent lower in the draft? Why ship out 2nd and (3rd) picks for 25/26 year old guys like Frost and Farabee who will be 30 and expensive (best case) when this team is a contender? Why signs guys like Shag for 5 years instead of dealing for more picks and finding the next 20 year old Shag who will be in his prime as we start to contend.

Even Dallas - Who people want to emulate - finished in the bottom half of the standing for almost a decade before accumulating enough talent (and hitting 1 amazing draft)

Here is where Dallas picked when their rebuild started / when they started being bad.

2009 - 8th
2010 - 11th
2011 - 14th
2012 - 13th
2013 - 10th
2014 - 14th
2015 - 12th
2016 - 25th
2017 - 3rd (Won Lottery)
2018 - 13th
2019 - 19th

Dallas WAS stuck in the mushy middle for almost a decade before they hit their super draft. You could argue their model did fail for a decade.

No team in NHL history that I can remember has ever successfully re-tooled around an aging, non superstar core. The Flames are trying to become the first ever.

I like our odds!

[Vinny01]

I think the Canes are likely going to continue to go star chasing but might try and lock in on someone with term. They have everything a team would want when it comes to making a splash. They have cap space, assets, and a winning team.

I think they might be one of the teams ready to give Bennett $10+M

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Macho0978

I see them throwing big money Bennett. They need a guy like him to get past the top teams.

They could throw big money at Marner and Bennett.

Rod coaching Bennett…. Shiiiiiiit.

[Toonage]

If you can't beat em, become them? Makes sense the Canes would try to get guys like Bennett.

[HitterD]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Hardly an insider. Unless this is one of the major insiders i would be wary. Teams they finish that high in standings don’t perform major changes. Changes will come, but can’t see them doing major surgery.

The Panthers won the presidents trophy in 21/22, got bounced in the 2nd round of the playoffs, and traded Huberdeau and Weegar for Tkachuk in July. Does that not count as major changes from a "team that finished that high in the standings"?

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think the Canes are likely going to continue to go star chasing but might try and lock in on someone with term. They have everything a team would want when it comes to making a splash. They have cap space, assets, and a winning team.

I think they might be one of the teams ready to give Bennett $10+M

They need a playoff guy like San Bennett. If they got him, they would be a threat.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Andersson to Carolina? Maybe it means they’re gonna grab Marner and Andersson or something.

Would also love someone like Svechnikov on this team but very doubtful he’s moved.

No one's definition of a big change is adding Ras. Love the guy but the best thing about him is his contract. He helps, but adding him won't fundamentally change a team's back end.

Marner won't move the needle in the playoffs either.

[Jason14h]

Carolina needs a Kadri TBH !

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Carolina needs a Kadri TBH !

I also agree with that. If they want to win, need to upgrade at center.

They could use Anderson too

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

No one's definition of a big change is adding Ras. Love the guy but the best thing about him is his contract. He helps, but adding him won't fundamentally change a team's back end.

Marner won't move the needle in the playoffs either.

But if you add 3 or 4 players and Ras is one, that is big changes.

They need star power though so agree that Ras is a smaller piece of the puzzle