[Trade] Rangers trade Kreider + 2025 4th to Ducks for Terrance + 2025 3rd

[Saqe]

I could see Anaheim frog leaping the Flames next year which is good for the pro tank crowd, with Q as their coach and adding Trouba and Kreider. Marner could end up there too, tons of cap space.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Looks like the Rangers will get basically nothing of value for a former 50-goal scorer. Another chapter in the book of waiting too long to trade aging veterans.

In today's NHL, cap space is valuable.

[Yeah_Baby]

Originally Posted by Ped

In today's NHL, cap space is valuable.

Sure, but I think it's also at its lowest value maybe ever?

The flames couldn't weaponize their cap space.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Pens have their pick.

Rangers get the cap space they will sign whichever free agent they want.

I think they will easily be able to flip K.Miller and Lafreniere if they so choose and could probably go out and sign Marner and Bennett if they wanted to

Don't the Rangers have until like 48 hours before the draft to decide if they keep the 12th pick this year or make that the pick in the trade? As far as I know, they still have not made that decision.

With a pretty mediocre free agency class, I'm not sure how much they'll really improve there. I don't see Marner or Bennett as New York guys...could be wrong.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Don't the Rangers have until like 48 hours before the draft to decide if they keep the 12th pick this year or make that the pick in the trade? As far as I know, they still have not made that decision.

With a pretty mediocre free agency class, I'm not sure how much they'll really improve there. I don't see Marner or Bennett as New York guys...could be wrong.

As far as I can see, it automatically goes into 2026 if the the pick is in the top-13, and since it is 12th, the Rangers keep the pick.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

Sure, but I think it's also at its lowest value maybe ever?

The flames couldn't weaponize their cap space.

Agreed, but the Rangers aren't giving up additional assets. They're just basically dumping the contract.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Looks like the Rangers will get basically nothing of value for a former 50-goal scorer. Another chapter in the book of waiting too long to trade aging veterans.

But Kreider is more of the Cheechoo mold of 50 goal scorer than say a guy like Iginla. At age 31 his career high was 28 goals and 53 points. The next three years he scores 52, 39, and 36 before dropping to 22 last year. I'm not sure how much of this is the Panarin effect. Don't get me wrong...he was a good top 6 winger with size. But more of a 25 to 30 goal scorer is his norm.

I think he could bounce back to being that near 30 goal and mid 50 point player as he was pretty banged up last year. But I have zero problems with the Rangers giving guys away to get spend more on a younger guy who will do similar things to what a healthier Kreider could.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Ped

As far as I can see, it automatically goes into 2026 if the the pick is in the top-13, and since it is 12th, the Rangers keep the pick.

It was top 13 protected. So the Rangers can keep it or opt to use it. I've seen a few articles about if the Tangers should keep it or not. I just have not been able to determine when they have to ultimately decide yet.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

It was top 13 protected. So the Rangers can keep it or opt to use it. I've seen a few articles about if the Rangers should keep it or not. I just have not been able to determine when they have to ultimately decide yet.

I believe it stated 2025 protected, since they are 12th, its the 2026 pick that goes to the Penguins

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Yeah_Baby

The flames couldn't weaponize their cap space.

There's a big difference between the Flames weaponizing their cap space and the Rangers weaponizing their cap space. One team is the number one destination in the NHL for players while the other is one of the least desirable destinations for NHL players.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

There's a big difference between the Flames weaponizing their cap space and the Rangers weaponizing their cap space. One team is the number one destination in the NHL for players while the other is one of the least desirable destinations for NHL players.

It will be interesting to see.

Lots of noise that the Rangers organization is seen as being in a bit of turmoil right now and the players in that locker room have not responded well to the treatment of Trouba and Kreider.

When I look at the top 10 free agents I don't really see any of the real top guys wanting to go to NY. Maybe Boeser or Ekblad, but really don't see Marner or Bennett going there.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by flambers

I believe it stated 2025 protected, since they are 12th, its the 2026 pick that goes to the Penguins

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/ran...220720799.html

Not according to this.

“They have until 48 hours before the draft begins to decide whether or not they want to convey that pick, essentially to Pittsburgh,” NHL insider Frank Seravalli said.

So the Rangers still need to decide which pick they'll transfer to Pittsburgh. As of today, it appears they have not.

[activeStick]

Kreider is not good anymore. Didn't he not have a goal until after January or something crazy like that last year? Also, cap space has value and the space the Rangers get from this move will be used to bring on a high end player, I'm almost certain.

[Ped]

Krieder struggled in pretty much every category this season, so if he doesn't bounce back, that's a lot of cap space.

[Geeoff]

Perhaps, they already have a deal and they just don't wanna announce it out of respect for the Stanley Cup final

[ICRed]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Perhaps, they already have a deal and they just don't wanna announce it out of respect for the Stanley Cup final

I was just thinking about this the other night.

If there is no trade freeze imposed by the NHL, why do teams already out of the playoffs actually wait to make transactions until after the cup final?

I know we've heard the NHL discourages teams from making trades during this period blah blah.
We know NHL GM's are constantly bending the rules, negotiating extensions early, tampering etc.
You'd think there would be an advantage to using this time to better your club while others are focusing on their playoff runs and waiting to see how things play out for them.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Perhaps, they already have a deal and they just don't wanna announce it out of respect for the Stanley Cup final

"June 11: While the deal is agreed to in principle, Anaheim is on Kreider’s no-trade list, according to Pierre LeBrun of TSN and The Athletic. The trade will remain in limbo until the Rangers gain clarity on whether he’s willing to waive his trade protection to facilitate the deal."

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by ICRed

I was just thinking about this the other night.

If there is no trade freeze imposed by the NHL, why do teams already out of the playoffs actually wait to make transactions until after the cup final?

I know we've heard the NHL discourages teams from making trades during this period blah blah.
We know NHL GM's are constantly bending the rules, negotiating extensions early, tampering etc.
You'd think there would be an advantage to using this time to better your club while others are focusing on their playoff runs and waiting to see how things play out for them.

That's exactly it. I don't think GMs wait to do anything. I'm guessing they chat as normal, make deals as normal, finalize all paperwork as needed, but they just hold off on any announcements until after the finals.

[bluejays]

Rangers have a talent problem. Kreider has his best days behind him so it makes sense to get rid of him. They need a lot of young help high end up front. I see this as a draft problem. They were mediocre for a long time that once they got Laf, they decided to “expedite” the process and got the vets. But there really isn’t an expedited process. Now those vets are old and because they didn’t stick with a rebuild they have few prospects to make a run. It’s really a warning to us in many ways. I like Conroy but he can’t take the Burke approach even if we somehow hit a home run with a prospect. It requires some careful drafting with some adds here and there of some vets. Too many vets and by the time the run happens those old guys are aged.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by bluejays

Rangers have a talent problem. Kreider has his best days behind him so it makes sense to get rid of him. They need a lot of young help high end up front. I see this as a draft problem. They were mediocre for a long time that once they got Laf, they decided to “expedite” the process and got the vets. But there really isn’t an expedited process. Now those vets are old and because they didn’t stick with a rebuild they have few prospects to make a run. It’s really a warning to us in many ways. I like Conroy but he can’t take the Burke approach even if we somehow hit a home run with a prospect. It requires some careful drafting with some adds here and there of some vets. Too many vets and by the time the run happens those old guys are aged.

I don't think it's fair to say that they expedited the process at all TBH.

Pieces like Zibanejad, Kreider, Buchnevich, etc were already in the organization.

Then they traded for Fox who is a Norris winner, drafted Shesterkin who is a Vezina winner, and signed Panarin who was a Hart candidate.

In addition to that they had 4 top 10 picks (7, 9, 1, 2) and 8 1st round picks, over a 4 year stretch.

With those 8 picks they got:

Andersson, Chytil, Kravstov, Miller, Lundqvist, Kakko, Lafreniere, Schneider

To me it just shows you need to draft and develop well, and just getting top 10 picks doesn't guarantee anything. In the end it wasn't accelerating the rebuild or anything like that, they just didn't hit on their picks.

With Kakko and Lafreniere especially being disappointments for where they were selected. If they took Seider and Stutzle with those picks we probably aren't talking about how the Rangers accelerated the rebuild.