2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Niemo]

This winning culture narrative that is being shoved down our throats is borderline BS. I understand the importance of a winning culture but not when you should be rebuilding. This "winning culture" turned to toxic in 1 offseason (Johnny and Tkachuk leaving). We also turned it back on this season. It can shift so fast once you get a key driver or 2 in the system. Trying to win badly every year for the past 20+ yrs has gotten us nowhere. We need to try something different.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Do you think it’s going to steal 25 games? Have a backup we don’t know win 12-15 games?

Saros and Swayman say high.

Also the system the Flames played won’t last it wears thin on players. 100% for 82 games to stay competitive

I didn't say he would steal 25 games. Just that's he's becoming an elite goalie, and as long as he's on the team he gives them a chance to win every game he plays, he's not garbage. Tanking helps with subpar goaltending, the Flames don't have that moving forward.

I was just wondering what some people specifically wanted the Flames to do to tank and get top multiple 3 or top 5 picks. Haven't seen anything yet. It's easy to say 'they should tank, that will make them better', but actually detailing how that will happen is a heck of a lot harder.

[FanSince'01]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

If Utah is serious about trading 4 what could we offer. Top 5 picks are hardly available.

Both 1st round picks a 2nd. A retained Coleman ?

Or do we send Andersson for picks to flip instead of Coleman.

I think we’d have to send Andersson out first (plus whatever is needed to add) to get a pick in the 9-14 range, then probably send that pick plus Coleman (and maybe more as well) out to get to 4. Would be a lot of musical chairs but could pay off.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I didn't say he would steal 25 games. Just that's he's becoming an elite goalie, and as long as he's on the team he gives them a chance to win every game he plays, he's not garbage. Tanking helps with subpar goaltending, the Flames don't have that moving forward.

I was just wondering what some people specifically wanted the Flames to do to tank and get top multiple 3 or top 5 picks. Haven't seen anything yet. It's easy to say 'they should tank, that will make them better', but actually detailing how that will happen is a heck of a lot harder.

If we can trade for that 4 pick keep our picks for 26 and maybe add from trading off Coleman Andersson maybe Backlund the team is on track.

If you get into the McKenna game and get a center this draft you have a top line.

Now that’s exciting.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

If Utah is serious about trading 4 what could we offer. Top 5 picks are hardly available.

Both 1st round picks a 2nd. A retained Coleman ?

Or do we send Andersson for picks to flip instead of Coleman.

Selll everything to get a top 5 pick. Can’t win without one.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Niemo

This winning culture narrative that is being shoved down our throats is borderline BS. I understand the importance of a winning culture but not when you should be rebuilding. This "winning culture" turned to toxic in 1 offseason (Johnny and Tkachuk leaving). We also turned it back on this season. It can shift so fast once you get a key driver or 2 in the system. Trying to win badly every year for the past 20+ yrs has gotten us nowhere. We need to try something different.

They haven’t tried to win every year for 20 years

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by FanSince'01

I think we’d have to send Andersson out first (plus whatever is needed to add) to get a pick in the 9-14 range, then probably send that pick plus Coleman (and maybe more as well) out to get to 4. Would be a lot of musical chairs but could pay off.

Never do drugs kids.

#NotEvenOnce

[Jason14h]

Trade Weegar to Utah for 4th overall in some capacity

You get a top pick and after trading Andersson probably are bottom 5 next year

Kadri probably gets annoyed with losing half way through year and asks to be traded , same with Coleman

Sign someone to play with Parekh or just go with Bahl

[FanSince'01]

Originally Posted by Dan403

Never do drugs kids.

#NotEvenOnce

Not saying I’d do it, to be clear, just saying I think that’s what it would take. “Pay off” was probably the wrong choice of wording there.

[Royle9]

Remember though, Andersson will need to extend wherever he's traded to get any sort of value and I dont see Utah being a place he'd do it.
So there's no way he gets you Utah's 1st.

[FanSince'01]

Yeah it’s why I think it’d have to be multiple deals to trade Raz for a pick in the range Utah wants to move down to and then move that pick to Utah. No way he’s extending in Utah.

[Fan69]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Trade Weegar to Utah for 4th overall in some capacity

You get a top pick and after trading Andersson probably are bottom 5 next year

Kadri probably gets annoyed with losing half way through year and asks to be traded , same with Coleman

Sign someone to play with Parekh or just go with Bahl

So we can be columbus? Ya no thanks.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Trade Weegar to Utah for 4th overall in some capacity

You get a top pick and after trading Andersson probably are bottom 5 next year

Kadri probably gets annoyed with losing half way through year and asks to be traded , same with Coleman

Sign someone to play with Parekh or just go with Bahl

lol, no wonder you guys are always mad if you think something like this is a real option

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Royle9

I agree with losing a lot of those guys for nothing, but let me play devils advocate here.

How do you expect to build a winning culture, an identity and a team that can compete for a cup when you basically show all UFA’s that if you commit here but ultimately are “old” and even though we gave you a NMC to come here because you want stability for your family that we will ultimately tell/ask you to move anyway and disrespect your contract essentially?

You won’t. Plain and simple.
You’ll never attract a big name UFA to the market, you’ll jeopardize your ability to sign your prospects and ultimately destroy your room and team culture simply for a lottery ball and a B prospect?

Doesn’t make sense to me, but I do understand the angst having lost a lot of our guys for nothing, but those weren’t Craig’s decisions for the most part. He made best of what he could for Tkachuk and that was getting Huberdeau off of a record breaking season…

I get that you have to treat UFAs well. It would be bad for the reputation of the Flames if they turned around and moved guys like Kadri and Coleman when they wanted to stick around. That stuff matters to players.

But I disagree about winning culture. Ten years ago the Oilers and Panthers were the two worst franchises in the NHL, if not professional North American sports. They were jokes.

Then they drafted elite players, and now they’ve faced each other in back-to-back Cup finals.

Winnings breeds winning culture. And you win with elite players.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by FanSince'01

Yeah it’s why I think it’d have to be multiple deals to trade Raz for a pick in the range Utah wants to move down to and then move that pick to Utah. No way he’s extending in Utah.

Get a 1st and 2 2nds. Spread it out 26 1st 27 2nd 28 2nd

Just the picks get you in the conversation. You might get away with 18 26 1st from Andersson. 25 2nd 27 2nd.

Still leaves you with 2 1st in 25 and 26. And we retain Coleman to trade at the deadline for more picks.

[Rhett44]

We have won 2 measly playoff rounds in 20 years. Is this the winning culture that people are referring to?

Oilers and Panthers were perennial losers for years. And now they are the 2 top contenders. When you draft elite talent, winning culture follows.

[Rhett44]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

So the plan is to be terrible with Wolf in net? Not to mention Parekh, Coronato, Zary, etc. You think that's a lottery-worthy team? How about Bahl, Klapka, etc......trading them too?

Yes, those players are not carrying a team to a playoff spot.

We don't know what Parekh is yet and it will be his first year. Zary and Coronato are 2nd line forwards. I'm not sure how those players would cause us to not tank.

Bahl is a good 2nd line dman. Klapka is a fine 3rd or 4th liner. Again, I'm not sure what you're getting at lol. I don't want to trade any young players.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

We have won 2 measly playoff rounds in 20 years. Is this the winning culture that people are referring to?

Oilers and Panthers were perennial losers for years. And now they are the 2 top contenders. When you draft elite talent, winning culture follows.

It's pretty ironic to try and use either team as an example.

There are dozens of articles about the culture changing in Florida over the past few years. Tkachuk is a player credited with changing the culture. They drafted 1st and 2nd overall and then continued to suck for 7 years, until they made a conscious effort to change the culture.

Winning didn't overcome the loser culture in Edmonton and turn the team around, drafting a player in the conversation with Gretzky and Lemieux did. The difference in what culture the teams have created was clearly evident in last night's game.

[Royle9]

I'll never understand how people can say "look at Edmonton" as a way we should build the team.

They literally drafted 5 times 1st OA in a decade and then lotter lucked their way to McDavid and somehow we need to emulate that for success.

Florida Got Huberdeau 3rd, then then Barkov 2nd and Ekblad 1st in 4 years.
Again, lottery luck. Flames have none.

But okay I guess. Sign me up!
Trust me, I want a top 3 pick as much as the next guy. But its never guaranteed and with our luck we'd find a way to have the best odds and still get screwed.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

We have won 2 measly playoff rounds in 20 years. Is this the winning culture that people are referring to?

Oilers and Panthers were perennial losers for years. And now they are the 2 top contenders. When you draft elite talent, winning culture follows.

Yes, Florida and Edmonton, the two teams that drafted elite talent and then had to ship them out and cycle through coaches because they had culture problems lol. Throw Colorado in there as well. And ask Buffalo how amazing their culture is with all the elite talent they’ve drafted lol.

Maybe think about your take before rushing to spew it out.