2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

The last 8 or 9 pages were triggered by this post. Which, as PepsiFree pointed out, ironically doesn't mention Kadri at all.
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This is just not true. Royle posted #16425 in this thread that came after really got the Kadri stuff going.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

There’s different ways owners and management can create a good environment for players. The training facilities and style of travel they provide. How they handle all the off-ice stuff like accommodation, tickets for family, etc. How they treat support staff. The Panthers organization gets top ratings for that stuff.

However, like most top teams they’re ruthless when it comes to player personnel. They didn’t hesitate to move core, life-long Panthers in Huberdeau and Weegar to improve the team. They’re likely going to let mainstay Ekblad walk, just like Tampa let Stamkos go. The same way Vegas hasn’t let sentiment sway them from all kids of heartless moves in their short history. But players still want to play for those franchises because they win.

Maybe small-market, unattractive destinations like the Flames can’t operate the same way. In the absence of great weather or a winning pedigree, we may have to rely on goodwill (and higher financial compensation) to attract and keep players. But being utterly ruthless around personnel is a trait common to top franchises in pro sports.

I'm pretty confused by this conversation on the ruthlessness or lack or ruthlessness around assets. When were the Flames last in a position to be ruthless or not in terms of moving on from an player of any substance? I honestly can't think of any, except and since Iginla.

And not to make excuses about that situation but:
1. That was well over a decade ago now............so how relevant is it.
2. That was executed by a GM who has had 3 predecessors since them (oh and was already over a decade ago).
3. And that player wasn't just any elite asset (like Huberdeau), he was literally the record book holder on most Franchise stats and most iconic Flame of all time.

Point being, I think we invent narratives around here that compliment our points of view. There's lots of valid things to debate about how this franchise is run (as there is with any franchise), but where did this "we won't make tough decisions and hold onto assets too long out of loyalty" narrative come from? Even if it's just because we haven't been in the position to not make a tough decision on a key player (that would likely require more success), it's not something the Flames have a track record of "not making the tough decisions on".

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I'd say the act of keeping Kadri is more concerned with filling the arena and getting the 3 home playoff games than it is pursuing a Stanley Cup. What is the value of keeping a soon-to-be 35-year-old player who, as you've suggested, is top 50 at his position, on a team that is nowhere near meaningfully competing in the West?

Trading Kadri isn't about replacing him on next year's team. The return equivalent may never amount to Kadri, but the upside is two-fold: 1) You get a return that will have actual value when the team is relevant again, 2) You dramatically improve your odds of securing a top 5 pick in a loaded draft.

He’s got a NMC and doesn’t want to waive it. What are you guys even talking about?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

There’s different ways owners and management can create a good environment for players. The training facilities and style of travel they provide. How they handle all the off-ice stuff like accommodation, tickets for family, etc. How they treat support staff. The Panthers organization gets top ratings for that stuff.

However, like most top teams they’re ruthless when it comes to player personnel. They didn’t hesitate to move core, life-long Panthers in Huberdeau and Weegar to improve the team. They’re likely going to let mainstay Ekblad walk, just like Tampa let Stamkos go. The same way Vegas hasn’t let sentiment sway them from all kids of heartless moves in their short history. But players still want to play for those franchises because they win.

Maybe small-market, unattractive destinations like the Flames can’t operate the same way. In the absence of great weather or a winning pedigree, we may have to rely on goodwill (and higher financial compensation) to attract and keep players. But being utterly ruthless around personnel is a trait common to top franchises in pro sports.

Vegas and Florida don't just win(and Florida has had long spells of not winning). They also are tax havens, fun for young guys and have no weather issues. And no microscope.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

There’s different ways owners and management can create a good environment for players. The training facilities and style of travel they provide. How they handle all the off-ice stuff like accommodation, tickets for family, etc. How they treat support staff. The Panthers organization gets top ratings for that stuff.

However, like most top teams they’re ruthless when it comes to player personnel. They didn’t hesitate to move core, life-long Panthers in Huberdeau and Weegar to improve the team. They’re likely going to let mainstay Ekblad walk, just like Tampa let Stamkos go. The same way Vegas hasn’t let sentiment sway them from all kids of heartless moves in their short history. But players still want to play for those franchises because they win.

Maybe small-market, unattractive destinations like the Flames can’t operate the same way. In the absence of great weather or a winning pedigree, we may have to rely on goodwill (and higher financial compensation) to attract and keep players. But being utterly ruthless around personnel is a trait common to top franchises in pro sports.

Facilities matter. A coach just left a team because they didn’t have a proper practice facility. Bettman even mentioned it but he also is helping owners across the league scam tax payers.

The Flames have always been behind. Rushing through a rebuild not recognizing when to start tearing it down. It’s no wonder Edwards came in as one of the worst owners.

We did a disservice to Iggy by hanging on and nuked his value and prime years he could contribute to a contender. Continuing to patch together ####ty rosters to make 8th.

Let’s hope they allow Conroy to see this through.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Facilities matter. A coach just left a team because they didn’t have a proper practice facility. Bettman even mentioned it but he also is helping owners across the league scam tax payers.

The Flames have always been behind. Rushing through a rebuild not recognizing when to start tearing it down. It’s no wonder Edwards came in as one of the worst owners.

We did a disservice to Iggy by hanging on and nuked his value and prime years he could contribute to a contender. Continuing to patch together ####ty rosters to make 8th.

Let’s hope they allow Conroy to see this through.

I've said this before, but when we walk prospective articling students around the office, they like to see the offices, the lawyers' lounge, the spiffy meeting rooms. They want to see where they have to work every day.

Facilities are important factors for these guys.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Facilities matter. A coach just left a team because they didn’t have a proper practice facility. Bettman even mentioned it but he also is helping owners across the league scam tax payers.

The Flames have always been behind. Rushing through a rebuild not recognizing when to start tearing it down. It’s no wonder Edwards came in as one of the worst owners.

We did a disservice to Iggy by hanging on and nuked his value and prime years he could contribute to a contender. Continuing to patch together ####ty rosters to make 8th.

Let’s hope they allow Conroy to see this through.

The NHL, Bettman and any owner cannot scam tax payers. Only the cities and governments who collect those taxes can. We need to stop making the Bettman or Edwards the villians in our story because its makes us feel better. If you don't like the arena deal, blame those responsible for contributing our tax dollars to the project - the municipal and provincial governments. No one forced them to do the deal, they could have said no thanks if they didn't think it was worth it.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Vegas and Florida don't just win(and Florida has had long spells of not winning). They also are tax havens, fun for young guys and have no weather issues. And no microscope.

That’s part of it too. Like I said, Calgary operates under different conditions.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

He’s got a NMC and doesn’t want to waive it. What are you guys even talking about?

See Royle update a few pages back, and the quote I'm responding to.

Do I recognize it's highly unlikely he moves? Yes.

With the Oilers in the finals, call it cathartic, but the state of the nation of the team is a little more top of mind these days.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I've said this before, but when we walk prospective articling students around the office, they like to see the offices, the lawyers' lounge, the spiffy meeting rooms. They want to see where they have to work every day.

Facilities are important factors for these guys.

Our office is going through a massive renovation because of how outdated it was. People hardly go in.

It’s impacting the Stamps as well.

[Rhett44]

I just don't see what the point is of keeping Kadri, IF he is willing to waive. I was more posting because it was suggested we never even freaking asked him when we had a boat load offer on the table.

This franchise traded Iggy for scraps. We traded Conn Smythe Bennett for scraps. We lost Gaudreau for nothing and played hard ball the season prior with him and Tkachuk. We traded Tkachuk for a boat anchor contract. We traded Monahan AND a 1st for NOTHING.

All these amazing players we lost for nothing. Yet we are scared to ask an aging player to waive his NTC for a huge return. I don't get it lol.

[traptor]

They won't make hard decisions because they dont have to. A large majority of the fanbase is perfectly content with the middle. This site is populated by the hardcore fans and look. There's a good chunk would be mad if Kadri was traded because "he's our best center" "we were so close to playoffs, we battled hard with the blues". A lot of people thought Huberdeau had a great year with his 27g / 62 pts.alot of us vehemently defend whatever we have because it's ours.
This fanbase, even a good chunk of the hardcores are fine with whatever. Ofcourse the flames will take the path of least resistance.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I just don't see what the point is of keeping Kadri, IF he is willing to waive. I was more posting because it was suggested we never even freaking asked him when we had a boat load offer on the table.

This franchise traded Iggy for scraps. We traded Conn Smythe Bennett for scraps. We lost Gaudreau for nothing and played hard ball the season prior with him and Tkachuk. We traded Tkachuk for a boat anchor contract. We traded Monahan AND a 1st for NOTHING.

All these amazing players we lost for nothing. Yet we are scared to ask an aging player to waive his NTC for a huge return. I don't get it lol.

Ya but those bungles were at the hands of Treliving as the GM not Conroy; and Conny has since proven he’s not shy trading players away. There is no screaming panic to trade Kadri, he has a full NMC as well so why even bother at this point when there are other pressing contracts to focus on namely Andersson. I don’t understand the constant lamenting of past failures by a previous GM and how they are being made again when Conroy has done everything he can to show he is not like his predecessor.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Vegas and Florida don't just win(and Florida has had long spells of not winning). They also are tax havens, fun for young guys and have no weather issues. And no microscope.

Florida also couldn’t attract talent until they were good.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I just don't see what the point is of keeping Kadri, IF he is willing to waive. I was more posting because it was suggested we never even freaking asked him when we had a boat load offer on the table.

This franchise traded Iggy for scraps. We traded Conn Smythe Bennett for scraps. We lost Gaudreau for nothing and played hard ball the season prior with him and Tkachuk. We traded Tkachuk for a boat anchor contract. We traded Monahan AND a 1st for NOTHING.

All these amazing players we lost for nothing. Yet we are scared to ask an aging player to waive his NTC for a huge return. I don't get it lol.

Weegar's pretty good.

The Regehr, Bouwmeester, Hanifin, and Phaneuf trades were pretty lackluster too... We also got nothing for Squid, David Jones and Shane O'Brian for Tanguay and Sarich. Traded a 2nd for Stralman only to send him to TB for a 3rd before him playing a game.

Hopefully they will do better this time around. Trading isn't going to be our strength, but drafting is.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I've said this before, but when we walk prospective articling students around the office, they like to see the offices, the lawyers' lounge, the spiffy meeting rooms. They want to see where they have to work every day.

Facilities are important factors for these guys.

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I just don't see what the point is of keeping Kadri, IF he is willing to waive. I was more posting because it was suggested we never even freaking asked him when we had a boat load offer on the table.

This franchise traded Iggy for scraps. We traded Conn Smythe Bennett for scraps. We lost Gaudreau for nothing and played hard ball the season prior with him and Tkachuk. We traded Tkachuk for a boat anchor contract. We traded Monahan AND a 1st for NOTHING.

All these amazing players we lost for nothing. Yet we are scared to ask an aging player to waive his NTC for a huge return. I don't get it lol.

People like the country club style. Let the players run the team. Complain and bitch in a few years after a couple more 9/10th place finishes. So much winning the real fans will tell us.

[Heavy Jack]

Well I’d argue he’s doing not too bad so far with trades; Bahl looks like a solid addition and we will add another 1st round prospect via the other return from that Markstrom trade, 5 pieces for Lindy as well and then turning what was becoming a ‘throw away’ piece in Kuzmenko along with a B Prospect in Pelts into Frost/Farabee I’d say Conroy is showing early on he’s pretty creative when it comes to trades. Im looking forward to his next efforts for sure!

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

I just don't see what the point is of keeping Kadri, IF he is willing to waive. I was more posting because it was suggested we never even freaking asked him when we had a boat load offer on the table.

If Conroy knows the answer is no then there is no point in asking. Also, there is no way of knowing if Conroy floated the idea privately to Kadri and was shut down. There’s not much recourse for Conroy other than making it public knowledge which would be a circus.

[ResAlien]

Where's that beating a dead horse gif?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Well I’d argue he’s doing not too bad so far with trades; Bahl looks like a solid addition and we will add another 1st round prospect via the other return from that Markstrom trade, 5 pieces for Lindy as well and then turning what was becoming a ‘throw away’ piece in Kuzmenko along with a B Prospect in Pelts into Frost/Farabee I’d say Conroy is showing early on he’s pretty creative when it comes to trades. Im looking forward to his next efforts for sure!

Nothing wrong with what Conroy has done. The issue is always going to Edwards.