2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Burning Beard]

If everyone keeps posting the same points repeatedly all summer surely Conroy will toss out whatever plan he had for the rebuild to please the posters wearing out their keyboards who are upset that he isn't following their preferred plan to a "T"

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Being so loyal to aging players is the exact reason we never win anything. Sometimes you have to do what is best for the team, not always be the nice guy.

If you get offered a boat load of futures for an aging asset, you do it. I can obviously understand if Kadri was on the Avs or Panthers or some contender that they keep him and his winning attitude at all costs. But we are far from being anywhere close to a contender. We should we building towards the future.

In general, I agree, but in the case of Kadri, he has a full NMC until the 26-27 season, so if Craig had a conversation with him about the direction of the team, and Kadri was still interested in being here, what else could Conny do? Maybe Conroy could pressure Kadri to waive, but that kind of thing gets around the league, and while we might not be looking to compete for higher-end UFAs now, we will be at some point.

[Toonage]

At the very least can we stop including Kadri in all the trade ideas? Its like trying to move Andersson to Buffalo. Its just not happening. Ever.

[Hockey_Ninja]

It is nice to know that there's very good players who want to stay in Calgary and win with the Flames. Especially considering the big name guys over the past few years who couldn't wait to leave. But with that being said, I do think there comes a point where you have to make the tough decisions and do what's best for the team. Even if it doesn't sit well in the locker room. I know moving Markstrom wasn't popular among the players, but it had to happen for Wolf to be able to get his opportunity. I do think there's gonna be a point where the Flames are gonna have to make a tough decision on Kadri and I hope they don't wait too long before doing so

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dieHARDflameZ

Do you actually believe they are?

I’m so sick of players wanting to leave Calgary. Can we not just enjoy having guys here right now that love the city and want to be a part of it? Yet fans will toss these guys away the second they get the opportunity. By all accounts, Kadri is great in the room and his play and effort spoke volumes last season. You need guys like him to mentor your youth along.

You know what will keep players ? Winning.

I’m so sick and tired of the team trying to cut corners and try to fast track something that takes time. We have plenty of vets and mentors. The team is too old at the top anyways. Relying on the core 30 plus won’t win ####.

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Guys, there's a LOT to be said about honoring a players wishes.
When Kadri came to Calgary he made it very clear he wanted to be here for the entire duration. He then moved out his entire family including parents to be here full time and to be able to spend his summers here as well.

When you talk to a player like that throughout the season, and explain to him your plan to re-tool not rebuild and ask where his head is at in all of this and he says "I want to win here and do whatever it takes" you have to honor it.

Why on earth would Craig even explore trading a guy who wants to be a Flame, who's given us more than we could ask these last few seasons and wants to win. That's the type of guy you want in the locker room. Craig wants people who want to be Flames, he's not going to trade that and disrespect the players wishes who has control as well, he would look like the stupidest GM in the NHL and nobody would come here.

Sometimes you have to look passed the shiny new toys via trade offer and just respect what you have and what you want to build while keeping your word and integrity.

How is this any different from Huberdeau, or any other long term deal? They are all signed with a certain set of assumptions and wishes. I'm sure Huberdeau "wants to win here and do whatever it takes" too.

I'm not even saying its necessary they trade Kadri in particular -- but this is a pro sports franchise, they need the flexibility to pivot for the greater good of the team, if and when needed.

[Royle9]

I'm sorry some seem angered at what I share, I'm not intending to stir the #### pot I promise.

I don't always agree with what I hear either, I think I've been very clear in wanting to rebuild vs retool myself but it is what it is and I choose to accept what I'm seeing and hearing.

I'm passionate just as much as the rest of you, I want to see a cup won and share that with my kids too. I have faith in Craig, I think he has a good vision for what he wants this team to be and where he see's it going in the next 3-5 years. I think we all need to continue to trust him, he's made more progress these last few years then we've seen the last decade, we just have to hope we get some lottery luck

[Macho0978]

It's also frustrating watching a team since 1989 give us 1 cup run and 3 total trips to the 2nd round in nearly 4 decades. I'm 47 and got to see 1 run since I was 11, and year or year the plan is the same GM to GM.

I will give Conroy time as he has done an excellent job so far but hearing he could have had that return from Colorado IMO is strike 1. No, I would not fire him, but that is disappointing as lots of successful teams move out players when the time comes, players that have done way more for their team than Kadri has for this team. Backlund has been here forever and he has earned a right to stay if he wants. The rest should be business decisions.

[shutout]

Originally Posted by Rhett44

Sometimes you have to do what is best for the team, not always be the nice guy.

This was the logic in the Ference-Stuart trade that the Flames made.
They took a handshake agreement with Ference and spit on it and threw it in the trash and traded him to Boston.
Completely destroyed the locker room and culture in the team.
Took years to recover.

Real life NHL isn't like your XBox where there are no personalities or feelings that need to be considered. In real sports (any team management - regardless of the industry) there are real people who have real feelings, friends, and attachments.

If you are not going to be considerate of the people and their families that work for you then you are building something that is far worse than a team stuck in the middle of the standings.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Royle9

Guys, there's a LOT to be said about honoring a players wishes.
When Kadri came to Calgary he made it very clear he wanted to be here for the entire duration. He then moved out his entire family including parents to be here full time and to be able to spend his summers here as well.

When you talk to a player like that throughout the season, and explain to him your plan to re-tool not rebuild and ask where his head is at in all of this and he says "I want to win here and do whatever it takes" you have to honor it.

Why on earth would Craig even explore trading a guy who wants to be a Flame, who's given us more than we could ask these last few seasons and wants to win. That's the type of guy you want in the locker room. Craig wants people who want to be Flames, he's not going to trade that and disrespect the players wishes who has control as well, he would look like the stupidest GM in the NHL and nobody would come here.

Sometimes you have to look passed the shiny new toys via trade offer and just respect what you have and what you want to build while keeping your word and integrity.

IMO, it's unrealistic and unfair to expect the Flames to hold their word on that at the expense of going the direction that makes sense for the franchise.

SO much can change in 7 years. Hell, so much has already changed.

Clear communication, involving him in the process, there's absolutely a way you can move forward and move on from Kadri without it being a scorched earth divorce.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by shutout

This was the logic in the Ference-Stuart trade that the Flames made.
They took a handshake agreement with Ference and spit on it and threw it in the trash and traded him to Boston.
Completely destroyed the locker room and culture in the team.
Took years to recover.

Real life NHL isn't like your XBox where there are no personalities or feelings that need to be considered. In real sports (any team management - regardless of the industry) there are real people who have real feelings, friends, and attachments.

If you are not going to be considerate of the people and their families that work for you then you are building something that is far worse than a team stuck in the middle of the standings.

Forsure and I agree, but it's a spectrum. If they're actually letting Kadri fully dictate his playing career and giving him an unofficial full NTC, then that's too far to one end, and is very unprofessional.

If we're talking real life, then a business wouldn't just keep someone around because they like working there. People get laid off all the time. It doesn't mean you can't give them a good reference and hook them up with your network so they can find a new job they fit.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by shutout

This was the logic in the Ference-Stuart trade that the Flames made.
They took a handshake agreement with Ference and spit on it and threw it in the trash and traded him to Boston.
Completely destroyed the locker room and culture in the team.
Took years to recover.

Real life NHL isn't like your XBox where there are no personalities or feelings that need to be considered. In real sports (any team management - regardless of the industry) there are real people who have real feelings, friends, and attachments.

If you are not going to be considerate of the people and their families that work for you then you are building something that is far worse than a team stuck in the middle of the standings.

The dressing room is soft in that case.

Florida shook up the room and are in their 3rd consecutive finals. Vegas tosses players away and just won a cup. Edmonton goes out sans brings in ####bags like Perry Kane and Walman and in their 2nd consecutive finals.

Being cut throat is inportsnt and doing what’s right for the team.

Bettman talked about it yesterday when the crybaby Biz brought up state tax. Players care more about winning management coaching.

[MissTeeks]

Originally Posted by traptor

Forsure and I agree, but it's a spectrum. If they're actually letting Kadri fully dictate his playing career and giving him an unofficial full NTC, then that's too far to one end, and is very unprofessional.

If we're talking real life, then a business wouldn't just keep someone around because they like working there. People get laid off all the time. It doesn't mean you can't give them a good reference and hook them up with your network so they can find a new job they fit.

It’s not unofficial. He has a no movement clause until next season. Then it’s a 13 team no movement clause.

[ForeverFlameFan]

If you want to see zero loyalty go be a Vegas Knights fan. I’m tired of people *****ing on players that actually want to be here. Not every pick acquired turns into a stud, and Kadri is already playing outstanding hockey, even at his age.

If we’re drafting Cootes or Reschny for example, who do you think we want them to learn from? Backlund and ESPECIALLY Kadri.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

It’s not unofficial. He has a no movement clause until next season. Then it’s a 13 team no movement clause.

Yeah I understand that. I thought the narrative was that they won't consider trading him at all because he wants to finish his career here.

Regarding the Avs trade specifically, approaching him to waive his NTC to go to the Avs would have been polite too. He would of had all the control to determine where he went. Since we didn't, it leaves him fully exposed to 18 teams with no control next year

[Knut]

These are human beings we are dealing with. There is also the idea of creating a perception of your organization to outside players. This comes into play with American prospects signing, UFA signings, RFA signings, players waiving NMC's and even Coaches deciding where they want to go. Look at how much Farabee and Frost talked about their gold star treatment coming to Calgary.

Not dealing Kadri for magic beans now might lead to downstream benefits when it comes to other players coming to the organization.

This is not NHL 2025 here.

[howard_the_duck]

Originally Posted by Knut

These are human beings we are dealing with. There is also the idea of creating a perception of your organization to outside players. This comes into play with American prospects signing, UFA signings, RFA signings, players waiving NMC's and even Coaches deciding where they want to go. Look at how much Farabee and Frost talked about their gold star treatment coming to Calgary.

Not dealing Kadri for magic beans now might lead to downstream benefits when it comes to other players coming to the organization.

This is not NHL 2025 here.

I guess I'm curious what this supposed reputational pull is getting us. This whole rehabilitation of Calgary image, reward players who want to play here at all costs, seems like an expensive and misguided plan, and not one that is rooted at winning above all else.

Getting a good Glassdoor rating is nice and all but shouldn't be the priority.

[Knut]

Originally Posted by howard_the_duck

I guess I'm curious what this supposed reputational pull is getting us. This whole rehabilitation of Calgary image, reward players who want to play here at all costs, seems like an expensive and misguided plan, and not one that is rooted at winning above all else.

Getting a good Glassdoor rating is nice and all but shouldn't be the priority.

Kadri wants to stay in Canada, moved his extended family here, wants to be a part of the solution, is taking on a leadership/mentorship role and has stated this is his intention. Trading him would be causing a reputational hit amongst players. Is that worth a third liner and a late first ? What does it tell the next player wanting to sign a reasonable 7-8 year deal?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Really doubt we take any reputational hit. Flames have signed players before and will after.

Building a team ready to compete annually will attract players. Coronato committed to a 7 year package right away in what will likely be a steal of a deal through his prime.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Knut

These are human beings we are dealing with. There is also the idea of creating a perception of your organization to outside players. This comes into play with American prospects signing, UFA signings, RFA signings, players waiving NMC's and even Coaches deciding where they want to go. Look at how much Farabee and Frost talked about their gold star treatment coming to Calgary.

Not dealing Kadri for magic beans now might lead to downstream benefits when it comes to other players coming to the organization.

This is not NHL 2025 here.

This team was also in the playoff mix and played really well down the stretch. They went toe for toe with St Louis, but lost out on reg wins. But the tank crew has it in their heads that the team was more like a 76 point team who refused to move players

So it's hard to trade your best players at that time. Now if the team is 10 points out of the playoffs this coming season, I do think they might start asking some veterans with value about how they'd feel about accepting a move.

I mean how many drama queens cried about how badly Conroy and Edwards screwed the team forever by not trading Markstrom at the previous deadline? This likely plays out the same. When the timing is better the team likely makes it's moves with the veteran players.