Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[TorqueDog]

JFC... of the things Rube holds in high regard, neither:
- the CPC; nor,
- this LPC-tabled bill; nor,
- the Liberals for having tabled it (and really, the LPC in general if you've read any of his past comments)

... are among them. That he would think "wow, this is CPC-level bad" is hardly surprising, considering his position on the political spectrum all but assures that the further right something is, the more unpalatable it is to him.

That's all. This really doesn't need this many posts to move past, fuсk.

[Parallex]

I half-way wonder if this is a performative bill... "Hey Donald! Look at all this stuff we're doing on border security!" then after they strike a deal and Trump moves on to some new bugaboo in the 4 marbles he has left rattling around in his head the bill will be significantly amended or stuck in the senate until it dies on the order paper.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

JFC... of the things Rube holds in high regard, neither:
- the CPC; nor,
- this LPC-tabled bill; nor,
- the Liberals for having tabled it (and really, the LPC in general if you've read any of his past comments)

... are among them. That he would think "wow, this is CPC-level bad" is hardly surprising, considering his position on the political spectrum all but assures that the further right something is, the more unpalatable it is to him.

That's all. This really doesn't need this many posts to move past, fuсk.

The fact that what someone got out of rube criticising the Liberals for the 1000th time was that, by mentioning the CPC, he was actually secretly praising the Liberals and, in fact, not criticising them at all is… insane lol.

Extra funny that rube went out of his way to circle back on the same criticism of the Liberals because he didn’t think it was getting enough play, and still, somehow, he’s actually, secretly, not criticising the Liberals.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

JFC... of the things Rube holds in high regard, neither:
- the CPC; nor,
- this LPC-tabled bill; nor,
- the Liberals for having tabled it (and really, the LPC in general if you've read any of his past comments)

... are among them. That he would think "wow, this is CPC-level bad" is hardly surprising, considering his position on the political spectrum all but assures that the further right something is, the more unpalatable it is to him.

That's all. This really doesn't need this many posts to move past, fuсk.

Yeah, it was merely a comment regarding the direction I see the Liberals moving, as in they're moving closer to where the CPC has traditionally positioned themselves in terms of "tough on crime" rhetoric.

If I'm being honest, I'm not even sure PP would have tried to pass something like this.

I'm not sure why that was so contentious, but moving on.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Parallex

I half-way wonder if this is a performative bill... "Hey Donald! Look at all this stuff we're doing on border security!" then after they strike a deal and Trump moves on to some new bugaboo in the 4 marbles he has left rattling around in his head the bill will be significantly amended or stuck in the senate until it dies on the order paper.

It's 100% that, but that's also not a great sign in terms of Carney putting up a fight against Trump, IMO.

I don't really want to see our civil liberties sacrificed in the service of economic priorities. The economy will eventually rebound. Once lost, civil liberties are often hard to reclaim, and this type of legislation is ripe for abuse.

Good point about the Senate though.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Yeah, it was merely a comment regarding the direction I see the Liberals moving, as in they're moving closer to where the CPC has traditionally positioned themselves in terms of "tough on crime" rhetoric.

If I'm being honest, I'm not even sure PP would have tried to pass something like this.

I'm not sure why that was so contentious, but moving on.

Lest we forget that during the Pandemic Trudeau tried to get his oversight-less, limitless spending bill passed and even his own party had to pump the brakes on that one.

I mean...does it not strike anyone else that people generally support political stances that give MORE rights to people as opposed to agendas to remove rights from them and hand more rights to the Government and Law Enforcement and....the F###ing Post Office??

Over the past decade or so, the Government, Law Enforcement and the f###ing Post Office have not exactly been draping themselves in the sweet velour of Glory...

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by rubecube

This is pretty gross and draconian, especially the part about allowing Canada Post to go through people's mail without a warrant.

Hopefully the SCC slaps this down as a s.8 violation.

Another piece of interesting proposed legislation from the Liberals which seems to be flying under the radar is buried in the tax bill. The tax bill proposed the income tax reductions that Carney promised as well as a GST break on housing purchases. In addition to the tax changes they are proposing that political parties will be able to do whatever they want with voter data they collect and that they won't have to comply with any provincial data regulations. They are eliminating a lot of data safeguards with this proposal.

At the very end, the government has added a section related to laws governing the use of Canadians’ personal information. The gist of it is that political parties won’t have to follow any.

Canada’s federal parties have been united in fighting this battle for years. The Liberal and Conservative parties collect massive amounts of personal data on Canadians, the better to get them out to vote, volunteer, and donate. And the parties don’t want to follow laws governing how they keep or use that info.

The big parties have been fighting a court battle to preserve their hands-off status, after a British Columbia court ruled that they should have to follow the province’s privacy laws.

Instead, the parties want to make their own rules, and without any consequences if they break them. They tried in the last Parliament to pass legislation to that effect, but ran out of time. So they’ve squeezed the legal changes into Carney’s tax-cut bill.

The proposals in C-4 include a clause that makes explicit that any registered political party, or anyone acting on its behalf, may “carry out any activities in relation to personal information”, including its collection, use, disclosure, retention, and disposal.

It includes another clause that says that parties and their representatives “cannot be required to comply with an Act of a province or territory that regulates activities in relation to personal information.”

The only requirements to be placed upon the parties is that they develop and publish a privacy policy, and follow whatever terms they include in that policy.

That bill is sponsored by Finance Minister François-Philippe Champagne (Saint-Maurice–Champlain, Que.).

https://www.hilltimes.com/story/2025...t-bill/463074/

[Firebot]

Some pretty big news from Carney that Canada will meet NATO 2% target by March.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/car...nato-1.7555928

"We stood shoulder to shoulder with the Americans throughout the Cold War and in the decades that followed, as the United States played a dominant role on the world stage. Today, that dominance is a thing of the past," Carney told an audience of foreign policy thinkers, national security officials and defence industry business leaders.

Zing. Shots fired.

A senior federal source who spoke to Radio-Canada says the biggest element of Monday's announcement will be the unveiling of a new defence industrial strategy, which will focus on meeting Canada's military through homegrown production.

He also hinted the Liberal government was hoping to exceed its pledge to meet the NATO defence spending target of two per cent of the gross domestic product. During the election, Carney said the government would hit the mark by 2030.

Canada plans to triple defence spending from 2014 levels by 2030, the minister said.

"But your government is willing to accelerate this. So, stay tuned."

Very interesting to see what homegrown production means.

[indes]

I hope we're going to get on the forefront of the drone takeover.

[Wormius]

Is it just me, or does politics seem so much less dumb with PP on the sidelines? I hope it stays this way.

[Looch City]

Lol what would PP be complaining about?

He'd probably be butt hurt because Libs are STEALING CPC ideas!!11one1 This is so unfair.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Is it just me, or does politics seem so much less dumb with PP on the sidelines? I hope it stays this way.

I think it’s the combination of no Trudeau and no PP.

Carney is such a significant upgrade on Trudeau in terms of the language used. It’s all action oriented with reasoning behind it. We are going to do x becasue of y. Trudeau said so many wishy washy things that PP could jump on him, misinterpret it and attack.

So getting better government has defanged the opposition in addition to PP being out.

[Firebot]

I mean what can Poilievre even say at this point. Many of these Carney moves are PC Conservative style moves straight out of their own policies. He has to support it, look at this press conference he just did.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1932136564580352370

He's become completely neutered.

Many Canadians are just happy not to see social conservatives / MAGA have control, and would tolerate a Liberal party that has veered right from Trudeau knowing that it means Poilievre out. And any blue type conservative not looking at politics from a partisan level should be absolutely giddy about what Carney is doing and actions.

Really the only people that should not be happy right now are the extreme left and right.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Firebot

I mean what can Poilievre even say at this point. Many of these Carney moves are PC Conservative style moves straight out of their own policies. He has to support it, look at this press conference he just did.

Didn’t you lose it on rubecube for pointing out exactly that a few days ago?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think it’s the combination of no Trudeau and no PP.

Carney is such a significant upgrade on Trudeau in terms of the language used. It’s all action oriented with reasoning behind it. We are going to do x becasue of y. Trudeau said so many wishy washy things that PP could jump on him, misinterpret it and attack.

So getting better government has defanged the opposition in addition to PP being out.

100% I would have voted for Carney if he ran as a Con. They sure missed the boat on that one.

Carney vs Trudeau would have given the Cons a super duper majority. 500 seats! lol

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

100% I would have voted for Carney if he ran as a Con. They sure missed the boat on that one.

Carney vs Trudeau would have given the Cons a super duper majority. 500 seats! lol

Yeah he wins the last election with at least the same amount of seats as the leader of either party.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

Yeah he wins the last election with at least the same amount of seats as the leader of either party.

It's hard to say because you don't know who he'd have been running against if he took over cpc. I think Carney vs Trudeau would have resulted in a large CPC majority.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

It's hard to say because you don't know who he'd have been running against if he took over cpc. I think Carney vs Trudeau would have resulted in a large CPC majority.

And all of the lost NDP votes would not have gone to a Conservative Carney.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

And all of the lost NDP votes would not have gone to a Conservative Carney.

True, but I think it's reasonable to assume ""CPC Carney" wins all the current CPC seats plus a bunch where the Liberals/CPC were close. The NDP not collapsing helps the CPC because it splits the left wing vote. I think there were some "anyone but PP" strategic voters that moved from NDP/green to the Liberals that you wouldn't have see with a Carney headed CPC.

[CliffFletcher]

No way Carney could have won the CPC nomination in the first place. Their populist base would have rebelled.