2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Niemo]

Raz + Frost + 2025 4th
For
Pinto + 2026 1st (unprotected) + 2025 2nd

Would this be fair?

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Andersson is not getting a top 10 pick or player recently drafted in the top 10. Way too high expectation.

Hmm I dunno about that. I think the market has good conditions right now and by the looks of it decent demand. If you’re on a cup contender, even though it’s one year that cap hit is amazing for him and if you can get him extended he’s a top pairing D that can also play 2nd unit PP.

I think you might be either over valuing picks or undervaluing Andersson. Straight up for the 4OA I agree is aggressive but why not be aggressive and see what happens? If they ask to add a late first it could work well for both teams. Ottawa is close and I could see them doing something aggressive and Yakemchuk sort of had a quasi “off” year (sorta, I just mean he didn’t grow his point totals on a per game basis over last year).

Just spitballing too. Ottawa needs quality D… I dunno. I don’t think the value is as off as you’re making it sound.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

If we could get a Zary type player from any team for a late 1st I'd do it in a heart beat. I think you're under valuing both Andersson and Zary here. IMO the value is pretty close, but CGY needs to add a bit more.

4th overall picks:
W. Smith
S. Wright
L. Hughes
---
L. Raymond (#1LW/RW)
B. Byram ( #2D)
B. Tkachuk (#1LW)
C. Makar ( Franchise D )
J. Puljujarvi ( Bust )
M. Marner (#1RW)
S. Bennett (#2C)
S. Jones (#2/3D)
G. Reinhart ( Bust )
A. Larsson (#4D)
R. Johansen (#1b/2C)
E. Kane (#2LW)
A. Pietrangelo (#1D)
T. Hickey ( Bust )
N. Backstrom (#1C)
B. Pouliot (#3LW)
A. Ladd (#2LW)

Based on those player it would be a huge Flames win with 7/17 picks, even trade with 5/17, and a big Flames loss with 5/17.

This doesn’t factor in that most teams can add Zary or Rasmus through their farm system if they draft well. Or similar players via trade or free agency

Most farm systems or prospect pools don’t have the elite guys like Makar in their system. So no, we aren’t getting 4th pick for those 2

[Ped]

Plus no team is thinking they're going to get Griffin Reinhart. They're hoping for Makar, or Marner, or Tkachuk, etc...

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

If you are Conroy, who are you asking for second. Assuming Conroy doesn't get hung up on.

If Ottawa decided to move Yak (they won't), they would want a young dman with term. Not a dman who will require an 8 year extension that will be bad on the back end.

Ottawa wants to compete now. Not sure they trade Yak but they want to compete now.

[albertGQ]

So many proposals with unprotected firsts

Why would the other team do that?

Yes, we have Vegas' unprotected next year but there were conditions on it initially

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Niemo

Raz + Frost + 2025 4th
For
Pinto + 2026 1st (unprotected) + 2025 2nd

Would this be fair?

No, pinto is better than Frost and Raz is not getting an unprotected first pre season

Maybe a 1st from a contender at the TDL if he had a good year

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by really?

If Utah has a strong interest in Anderson wonder if something like this would be possible:

To Utah : Andersson, Zary
To Calgary : Iginla, 2026 top 5 protected pick

Utah would get two pieces who help them now, one of which is a young player who has yet to reach his ceiling. Calgary acquires two potential future cornerstones. Perhaps Utah values Yiggy beyond dealing him, but you gotta give to get, and from Calgary’s perspective there is always a chance that Zary plays to first line level, but that’s a risk I’d be willing to take as Zary is likely to become redundant if he remains on the wing.

I would think Calgary could live with this, though it’s uncertain how committed Utah truly is to the present.

We're setting ourselves up for disappointment if we think we're getting Iginla for Ras

[Royle9]

Utah will not trade Iginla.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

We're setting ourselves up for disappointment if we think we're getting Iginla for Ras

His value is pretty established. Mid to late first with another piece to balance out where the first is or expected to be. Lindholm, Hronek, and Hanifin are all pretty fair comparables.

[dammage79]

I still really like SJ parting with the Dallas 1st this year with Bystedt. That's right on the money IMO.

[Rutuu]

It really makes a lot of sense why team anti-tank for talent exists, when you look at the bulk of their trade proposals. If I actually thought we could execute on half of these the draft would be my last resort as well.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

It really makes a lot of sense why team anti-tank for talent exists, when you look at the bulk of their trade proposals. If I actually thought we could execute on half of these the draft would be my last resort as well.

That is a huge reason why I think some hate the idea of tanking, we could just trade for a top pick seems to be suggested every summer. It's not happening, not for those guys alone. Probably would take several trades to get that high.

[YyjFlames]

Originally Posted by Bonded

His value is pretty established. Mid to late first with another piece to balance out where the first is or expected to be. Lindholm, Hronek, and Hanifin are all pretty fair comparables.

I tend to agree with this valuation, but there are a lack of top end free agent options this year, with teams benefiting from a bigger than usual cap bump. Raz comes in with a pretty solid contract that can fit on almost any team next year, especially with retention. And the trading team has a year to figure out fitting his higher contract in the next year.

He also doesn’t have to be traded until the deadline (although there are problems with this).

Perhaps this year the stars have aligned for a big overpayment for our guy.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

I tend to agree with this valuation, but there are a lack of top end free agent options this year, with teams benefiting from a bigger than usual cap bump. Raz comes in with a pretty solid contract that can fit on almost any team next year, especially with retention. And the trading team has a year to figure out fitting his higher contract in the next year.

He also doesn’t have to be traded until the deadline (although there are problems with this).

Perhaps this year the stars have aligned for a big overpayment for our guy.

There appears to be tons of cap space out there, but the contracts about to be dished out and going to be huge and not just with UFA's, RFAs too. Also, some massive names that need to be signed next year.

I think there will be a trade market created after free agent frenzy. Teams get a player and then trade someone else. Teams that can sign their big free agents on July 1 a year early, those contracts will start rolling in too. Cap space will disappear quick and teams could be trading existing players after landing someone they are after.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Rutuu

It really makes a lot of sense why team anti-tank for talent exists, when you look at the bulk of their trade proposals. If I actually thought we could execute on half of these the draft would be my last resort as well.

I also think there is an unrealistic expectation that you are likely to find franchise level players deeper in the 1st round or that you don't need them to be competitive.

[UKflames]

Whilst the usual expectation is that it costs a lot to jump into the top of the draft, this is usually because those at the top are tanking and need those top players. Where as this year I think some of those teams at the top of the draft are actually looking to get better now, rather than a few years down thie line when this years drafted player joins the team. Adding a top D in Anderson, could be a better move for them than drafting.

This year could very well be the year those top picks are available imo.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Hmm I dunno about that. I think the market has good conditions right now and by the looks of it decent demand. If you’re on a cup contender, even though it’s one year that cap hit is amazing for him and if you can get him extended he’s a top pairing D that can also play 2nd unit PP.

I think you might be either over valuing picks or undervaluing Andersson. Straight up for the 4OA I agree is aggressive but why not be aggressive and see what happens? If they ask to add a late first it could work well for both teams. Ottawa is close and I could see them doing something aggressive and Yakemchuk sort of had a quasi “off” year (sorta, I just mean he didn’t grow his point totals on a per game basis over last year).

Just spitballing too. Ottawa needs quality D… I dunno. I don’t think the value is as off as you’re making it sound.

I think some people have short memories.

Remember two years ago how many people there were talking themselves into thinking the Flames could get 3OA from Columbus for Lindholm? That was only two years ago. Could you imagine if the Flames had Adam Fantili today and Columbus had Lindholm? That would have been an all-time bad trade for that organization. Insanely bad.

If 4OA is available, or any other top 5 pick, it would be at the cost of a young controlled player who has top of the lineup/star, or better, potential. That ain’t Andersson.

I think the more realistic scenario could be Andersson to Columbus for 14OA, and that would probably have to have some extension in place for Andersson. Otherwise, I agree with those saying you’re likely looking at a Hanifin type return, probably a little better given cap and other market considerations. But this talk of Andersson + 18OA for a top 5 pick is, IMO, not very realistic.

[Poe969]

I think Anderson could get thr 4th overall pick....but it would have to happen now to make sense.


I'm really surprised it took this long for this to show up.

[Tbull8]

If 14th is on the table that’s a great asset too. 14 and 18 gives you a good shot at 2 impact players and you can really swing for the fences on 1 of their 3 firsts. Also nice that it’s ahead of Montreal’s 2 picks which they could be looking to do the same on